[crysalis_01]

Originally Posted by ChefBorOzzy

Honestly, I didn't even pay attention to your Mustang numbers as I don't care. I see the increase they have going from 2017 to 2018. I also know that GM and Ford don't do refreshes the same way. If you want to look at trends, you can focus on that. Ford has also greatly increased the price of the PP package. It was originally 2,500 dollars and has crept up to 4,000 for 2018. I don't think we need to go back 25 years and bring up generation changes to come up with a percentage increase for the refresh.

As long as the MSRP from AutoTrader is correct and I didn't mess up calculations, I'm going to say the refresh might tack on 2-2.5 percent to the price of the SS/2SS as GM has stated they have gone away from making significant midcycle changes. I could be wrong though and we see a 4-5 percent increase. We shall see. The only thing that scares me a bit about my 2-2.5 projection is the fact that the increases in 2017 and 2018 have been small.

Seems like 2.5%-3.5% should be a reasonable guess. It almost looks like there is a year where the increase is very low followed by a year where the increase is much more substantial. Guess we'll see.

See. There's no need to get confrontational with this stuff. We're just talking numbers and cars. People need to be not so defensive/on edge when having simple discussions.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by hotlap

I couldn't believe it so I looked it up myself. On the General Automotive section there is a Motor Trend article describing the level 2 as a "holistic approach" to "counter the dynamic capabilities of the 1LE Track Pack". After the GT350 overheating debacle? What a joke.

Here is your "level 2" track car that can't be run on a track unless you modify it. Warranty? Poof...

So as expected, you'll have to mod the car to the point of voiding the warranty and still won't beat a 1LE. So the testing on both cars won't happen until the weather is cooler and then they'll just 1-lap the hell outta the MFer and claim it can keep up and it is leaps above the 17...SMH.

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by Chadicus

This is a disappointment. No wonder they only expect to make 1500 of them. By the time you pay 6500 for the package they have the balls to tell you to add you own cooling..

Can you please provide the link in which Ford states that the car will overheat and you will have to mod it and void the warranty if you would like to track it. I must have missed it.

[ST1LE]

Originally Posted by newmoon

Can you please provide the link in which Ford states that the car will overheat and you will have to mod it and void the warranty if you would like to track it. I must have missed it.

LOL...whatever dude. We all saw what happened to the GT350, and reading Ford's statement shown in this thread we can ALL read between the lines.

[Chadicus]

Originally Posted by newmoon

Can you please provide the link in which Ford states that the car will overheat and you will have to mod it and void the warranty if you would like to track it. I must have missed it.

You can go back a page or two in this thread and see the statement from Ford directly out of the 2018 owners manual where it states the PP2 is not intended for track days and that they recommend you use aftermarket cooling for the transmission and differential if you ever do track it. They also mention the car will drop into limp mode on a track without those coolers.

So. You blow your halfshaft like Mustangs tend to do and they see coolers on there. You abuse this car on the track and thus void your warranty.

[Chadicus]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

So as expected, you'll have to mod the car to the point of voiding the warranty and still won't beat a 1LE. So the testing on both cars won't happen until the weather is cooler and then they'll just 1-lap the hell outta the MFer and claim it can keep up and it is leaps above the 17...SMH.

Without those mods it won't even keep up with a standard SS after one lap. They can forget about the 1LE. They might finally beat a V6 1LE though... maybe.

So to clarify, the PP2 comes with some great tires, magnaride, nice wheels, and limp mode. Awesome.

[ST1LE]

Originally Posted by Chadicus

Without those mods it won't even keep up with a standard SS after one lap. They can forget about the 1LE. They might finally beat a V6 1LE though... maybe.

So to clarify, the PP2 comes with some great tires, magnaride, nice wheels, and limp mode. Awesome.

And a spoiler!!

[shaffe]

That is disappointing on the coolers. That's about all there is to say about it is disappointed

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by Chadicus

You can go back a page or two in this thread and see the statement from Ford directly out of the 2018 owners manual where it states the PP2 is not intended for track days and that they recommend you use aftermarket cooling for the transmission and differential if you ever do track it. They also mention the car will drop into limp mode on a track without those coolers.

So. You blow your halfshaft like Mustangs tend to do and they see coolers on there. You abuse this car on the track and thus void your warranty.

Got it, I didn't see that statement. Not very good considering the issues the non track pack GT350s have. Have to wait and see how it plays out. I guess this is the way they will protect the GT350's sales. If you want a track car you are forced into it.

[FastCarFanBoy]

do the current PP cars suffer from limp mode issues on track? I have seen quite a few tracked with no mention of needing additional coolers. The Boss 302's had no cooler for the MT82 either. The Boss LS had a plastic scoop to channel air onto the MT82 fins.

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by L99BEN

Not straightline performance..

Touche

Originally Posted by FastCarFanBoy

do the current PP cars suffer from limp mode issues on track? I have seen quite a few tracked with no mention of needing additional coolers. The Boss 302's had no cooler for the MT82 either. The Boss LS had a plastic scoop to channel air onto the MT82 fins.

No I haven't heard of any issues with the current PP cars either

[Chadicus]

Originally Posted by FastCarFanBoy

do the current PP cars suffer from limp mode issues on track? I have seen quite a few tracked with no mention of needing additional coolers. The Boss 302's had no cooler for the MT82 either. The Boss LS had a plastic scoop to channel air onto the MT82 fins.

The Laguna Seca had the air scoop. Even with it some people were removing the A/C condenser as well. My 2015 GT PP never had a problem overheating but I live in the North

[ST1LE]

Originally Posted by FastCarFanBoy

do the current PP cars suffer from limp mode issues on track? I have seen quite a few tracked with no mention of needing additional coolers. The Boss 302's had no cooler for the MT82 either. The Boss LS had a plastic scoop to channel air onto the MT82 fins.

Nope, I dont think so either. May just be covering their butts considering the Class Action Ford has against them now for the Tech Pack issue.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by FastCarFanBoy

do the current PP cars suffer from limp mode issues on track? I have seen quite a few tracked with no mention of needing additional coolers. The Boss 302's had no cooler for the MT82 either. The Boss LS had a plastic scoop to channel air onto the MT82 fins.

Even tho the current S550s are not known to suffer these issues does not mean the revised ones won't. The fact that Ford made these statements means that they saw something during the testing or perhaps they couldn't get it quite perfect. Or perhaps they're covering their asses. The GT350(R) had issues with overheating. So if the GT PP/PP2 is coming close in performance to the current Shelby then it is safe to say it could have issues as well.