[clg82]

Originally Posted by Cardiak

That's why I said the typical one that DOES show up for track days. There will be some there and I'd bet a lot will have a little more juice knowing they may run into a ZR1.

"Typical" mustang enthusiasts can't purchase this car. It's unattainable unless you're uber rich or a YouTuber...

[m6-lt1]

For everyone saying Misha is claiming that the ZR1(X) has another 10 seconds in it, while I’m sure it does have some time left in it, Misha said the same thing about the Z06 which sport auto ran last year. Sport auto was about 1 second faster. Yes I know different day, blah blah blah but the truth is we’ll never see any of these cars run on the same day unless there’s a racing series called “showroom” stock where manufacturers run bone stock cars in a racing series (is this what nascar used to be?).

[NG329]

Originally Posted by Cardiak

Once again, it's not all about the power. I'm speaking more about how much mechanical grip the GTD has over these cars. I don't think giving the ZLE the LT5 would have put it under 7 mins. Even the C7 didn't achieve that.

Once again, there's no getting around the weight of the GTD. At just under 4,400lbs, any improvements in mechanical grip are negated by its excess heft. On the other hand, it is an 815hp monster. While I will admit that it is impressive that such heavy cars ran the way they did (both ZR1 and GTD), I will boldly predict that Ford won't improve on that 6:52 they posted, largely due to its mass.

Maybe you'd be right about the ZL1-1LE. However, the C7 ZR1 Nurburgring time was done on Cup2 run flats in so-so conditions. It's a Cup2R and a sunny day away from a time well below 7 minutes. Most data shows that a Cup2R is 2 seconds per lap faster than a Cup2 on most tracks approximately 2 miles in length. Nurburgring is 13 miles. The math supports any theory that the C7 ZR1 was sub 7 capable given the right tire and a dry track.

[Cardiak]

Originally Posted by clg82

"Typical" mustang enthusiasts can't purchase this car. It's unattainable unless you're uber rich or a YouTuber...

Whether you want to accept it or not, they will be at the track and like I said, a fair amount of them won't be at stock power. People bring modded exotics to the track. These won't be any different.

[Camfab]

Originally Posted by m6-lt1

For everyone saying Misha is claiming that the ZR1(X) has another 10 seconds in it, while I’m sure it does have some time left in it, Misha said the same thing about the Z06 which sport auto ran last year. Sport auto was about 1 second faster. Yes I know different day, blah blah blah but the truth is we’ll never see any of these cars run on the same day unless there’s a racing series called “showroom” stock where manufacturers run bone stock cars in a racing series (is this what nascar used to be?).

The Ring is the Ring and great cars have been foiled by the Ring, be it weather, equipment failure, you name it. The Germans will always have the advantage as this is their home turf. I agree that a real showroom stock series would be awesome, no chicken poop weight penalties or power restrictions. Just bone stock cars just the way you can buy them. NASCAR was never like this. Back in the day you had to run the factory body and theoretically the base engine architecture and displacement. Everybody cheated, but there is cheating today just on a whole different level of sophistication. Race on Sunday, sell on Monday.

[kingbambino22]

Originally Posted by Joshinator99

AMG GTR Black Series is front mid-engine with rear transaxle, and beat the ZR1X despite the AMG having *530* less horsepower. So, while I do expect the ZR1X to eventually beat that time, it has not to date. But with 530 more horsepower and AWD, it obviously should. My point is that while I also agree that rear mid-engine is the way to go, AMG proved the front mid-engine with rear transaxle configuration has a very high ceiling. I think Ford has more work to do to get there.

AMG GTR Black Series is 720 horsepower. That's is *344* less horsepower not *530*

[clg82]

Originally Posted by Cardiak

Whether you want to accept it or not, they will be at the track and like I said, a fair amount of them won't be at stock power. People bring modded exotics to the track. These won't be any different.

Whether you want to accept it or not, the GTD is an overpriced, overweight, Furd. One that Furd doesn't even build. Don't get me wrong I'd give my left nut for a Furd GT but the GTD is not comparable to the fully production built any joe blow can purchase C8 ZR1.....period.

[Joshinator99]

Originally Posted by kingbambino22

AMG GTR Black Series is 720 horsepower. That's is *344* less horsepower not *530*

ZR1X=1250 HP
AMG=730

Difference=520 HP

[m6-lt1]

Originally Posted by Joshinator99

ZR1X=1250 HP
AMG=730

Difference=520 HP

I am in agreement that the front engine corvette had more in it. I fully believe GM just wanted to go mid engine simply because they wanted to charge more for the car. One way I know they didn’t take the front engine corvette to its peak is the fact they used leaf springs all the way until the end of front engine corvette production.

It’d be cool if GM brought back a front engine, rwd, V8 vehicle (and with a manual option) to slot below the mid engine corvette whether it be called Camaro or whatever but I doubt that will happen.

[Cardiak]

Originally Posted by clg82

Whether you want to accept it or not, the GTD is an overpriced, overweight, Furd. One that Furd doesn't even build. Don't get me wrong I'd give my left nut for a Furd GT but the GTD is not comparable to the fully production built any joe blow can purchase C8 ZR1.....period.

Whether you want to accept it or not, that's almost completely irrelevant to the point I was making. I'm simply just stating that I believe the GTD has more potential than the ZR1 due to it's higher mechanical grip and what the Predator can do with some very minor mods that will unlock 1000hp.

[MisterMarauder]

Originally Posted by Joshinator99

AMG GTR Black Series is front mid-engine with rear transaxle, and beat the ZR1X despite the AMG having *530* less horsepower. So, while I do expect the ZR1X to eventually beat that time, it has not to date. But with 530 more horsepower and AWD, it obviously should. My point is that while I also agree that rear mid-engine is the way to go, AMG proved the front mid-engine with rear transaxle configuration has a very high ceiling. I think Ford has more work to do to get there.

It should be noted that the AMG completed it on the shorter 12.8 mile version and not the 12.94 mile version that the newer cars (ZR1/GTD) ran.

[Z OH 6]

Originally Posted by Cardiak

Whether you want to accept it or not, that's almost completely irrelevant to the point I was making. I'm simply just stating that I believe the GTD has more potential than the ZR1 due to it's higher mechanical grip and what the Predator can do with some very minor mods that will unlock 1000hp.

The mechanical grip advantage you speak of goes out the door when the car weighs 4400lbs. The reason why it has the massively wide tires and fancy aero trickery is to compensate for that 4400lbs of heft. The ZR1 and ZR1s don't need it to accomplish the same feat because the cars weigh much less. As for your other statement, it wouldn't be hard to add more tire width and change tire compound to get more mechanical grip and the ZR1 and ZR1x would still have a HP advantage over a modified GTD.

[Joshinator99]

Originally Posted by MisterMarauder

It should be noted that the AMG completed it on the shorter 12.8 mile version and not the 12.94 mile version that the newer cars (ZR1/GTD) ran.

Negative. The list has times for both lengths and the AMG is still faster than both the ZR1X and GTD despite the significant power handicap.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...eife_lap_times

[65ffr]

Originally Posted by Cardiak

Whether you want to accept it or not, that's almost completely irrelevant to the point I was making. I'm simply just stating that I believe the GTD has more potential than the ZR1 due to it's higher mechanical grip and what the Predator can do with some very minor mods that will unlock 1000hp.

Well if you mod a GTD and it beats the ZR1X, one can then mod the ZR1X to beat the GTD again, and probably still stay way under the GTD's sticker price.

Edit: a driver mod would probably be all that's required