[ember1205]

Originally Posted by CamaroSSStlfan

I wonder what's going to happen with Camaros at places like Carmax, Carvana, Vroom that overpaid to buy your Camaro and then would like list a 2019 2SS for like 47k with 20k miles and now you have the Chevy dealers getting Camaros on the lots and you can buy a NEW 2ss for just a couple grand more?


Do they do big time price slashing to get rid of the cars so they don't sit there for months? I notice vRoom lately has been knocking a bit off their prices in increments by about $500 I've seen on autotrader.


We'll know probably come the fall when more hit the lots and in Sept when 2022 Camaro production starts.


Looks like Estero Bay got another LT1 in or has one on the way by looking at autotrader today.


Why would someone be so stupid to buy from Carmax if they got a SS for not much more brand new?


As figured my local Chevy dealer which I wouldn't buy from them if they offered it for a buck still has no Camaros in.


Even in normal times they carried hardly any Corvettes and Camaros so not shocking.


I think the best deals might be traditional car lots. They jacked up prices too but not nearly as bad as Carvana. If your local Chevy dealer has some SSs used on the lot and suddenly gets some new ones they might be willing to workout a deal to clear it off the lot.


Also, late this year when the 2022s are hitting the lots if the Camaro continues to have terrible sales and dealers can't unload 2021 if they're workout deals on them too.


Last sept a local Chevy dealer had FOUR 1ss Camaros left over 2020 with NPP, A10. Chevy of course had really no incentives but with the dealer rebate the cars were about $37,500. I love my 2016 2ss because it has a lot of features and was only 16,500 miles and cost me 6 grand less. But I still kick myself for not taking my Mustang there to see the trade in estimate. Would been nice having brand new Camaro. Might been able to get them down a bit more if they wanted to unload them.

I think you have it backwards. The dealerships are taking advantage of the stupid prices on used cars to overinflate the new vehicles on their lots with "ADM" (additional dealer markup).

[detamble13]

Originally Posted by ember1205

That looks to me like there's at LEAST a 25% decline in sales from 2010 to 2012... Not sure why you say the sales didn't fall off until 2014.

They didn't compete as well for the sales title. Overall numbers were strong and currently they'd love to move that many Camaro's. I was referencing another comment wondering if Camaro had ever beat the Mustang in yearly sales. In 2014 it wasn't as tight of a competition and I blame the refresh.

[Envious_Ivy1LE]

Originally Posted by ember1205

I think you have it backwards. The dealerships are taking advantage of the stupid prices on used cars to overinflate the new vehicles on their lots with "ADM" (additional dealer markup).

dealers are charging ADM simply due to the limited new inventory right now and there's not much selection. used cars raised in price for the same reason.

unfortunately, I'd expect ADM to be the new normal on sports cars as the market gets more and more saturated with CUV & SUV. If we ever see Ford stop supporting rebates/incentives on mustang or dealers charging ADM on GT PP1/2 we're screwed.

I wouldn't be surprised at all to see ADM on cars like Miatas and GT86 in the coming years.

[ember1205]

Originally Posted by Envious_Ivy1LE

dealers are charging ADM simply due to the limited new inventory right now and there's not much selection. used cars raised in price for the same reason.

unfortunately, I'd expect ADM to be the new normal on sports cars as the market gets more and more saturated with CUV & SUV. If we ever see Ford stop supporting rebates/incentives on mustang or dealers charging ADM on GT PP1/2 we're screwed.

I wouldn't be surprised at all to see ADM on cars like Miatas and GT86 in the coming years.

That's fine. I won't be buying them. Dealerships by and large don't deserve the money they make on discounted vehicles. I would never "pay more" to a dealership because they have a car on their lot.

If they want to continue to try and press that button with the public, it's just going to make used vehicles maintain their value which means we'll be driving our cars longer and longer, further delaying the EV's that manufacturers want to push down our throats.

[Envious_Ivy1LE]

Originally Posted by ember1205

That's fine. I won't be buying them. Dealerships by and large don't deserve the money they make on discounted vehicles. I would never "pay more" to a dealership because they have a car on their lot.

If they want to continue to try and press that button with the public, it's just going to make used vehicles maintain their value which means we'll be driving our cars longer and longer, further delaying the EV's that manufacturers want to push down our throats.

I agree with you but unfortunately the general public doesn't see things our way. if they did ADM wouldn't be a thing because no one would give the dealer pure profit just to buy a car... and likely still have a crappy buying experience.

I hope the switch to EV brings a switch in the sales pipeline. if they don't require much maintenance you don't need thousands of dealers to maintain them. hopefully you can cut out the middle man and have repair Warehouses

[suckamc]

Originally Posted by Envious_Ivy1LE

I hope the switch to EV brings a switch in the sales pipeline. if they don't require much maintenance you don't need thousands of dealers to maintain them. hopefully you can cut out the middle man and have repair Warehouses

https://cleantechnica.com/2021/07/19...d-salespeople/

[ember1205]

Originally Posted by suckamc

https://cleantechnica.com/2021/07/19...d-salespeople/

And yet, he still bought it. When the inventory isn't there, walk away. When the sales person is an a$$, walk away. When the dealer fees are bogus and ridiculous, walk away. Did he walk away at any point? No. He paid the fees and further enabled the bad behavior because "wanted" the car.

[redcoats1976]

or go right to whirlpool and retrofit that washing machine motor...

[Envious_Ivy1LE]

Originally Posted by ember1205

And yet, he still bought it. When the inventory isn't there, walk away. When the sales person is an a$$, walk away. When the dealer fees are bogus and ridiculous, walk away. Did he walk away at any point? No. He paid the fees and further enabled the bad behavior because "wanted" the car.

sounds like he might have had a long drive to the dealership only to get hit with surprise fees. I was in a similar situation when I was young and dumb, 1st car I ever bought on my own. looking back I should have walked and let them pay for the lawyer to try to charge me for getting the car.

[Envious_Ivy1LE]

Originally Posted by suckamc

https://cleantechnica.com/2021/07/19...d-salespeople/

I'll definitely have to actually read this later. I'm kind of in a similar situation. I want a faster car to have fun with since I'm about to have the money to do so.

I'm looking at a couple of options but I'll likely end up going with whoever won't charge ADM. that means it most likely won't be a camaro. I was looking forward to a 2022 order but even that looks challenging right now.

[ember1205]

Originally Posted by Envious_Ivy1LE

I'll definitely have to actually read this later. I'm kind of in a similar situation. I want a faster car to have fun with since I'm about to have the money to do so.

I'm looking at a couple of options but I'll likely end up going with whoever won't charge ADM. that means it most likely won't be a camaro. I was looking forward to a 2022 order but even that looks challenging right now.

Sell now what you currently own. Bank the money and wait until spring of 2022 to BUY a 2022. If the ADM isn't gone by then (and replaced with incentives), then it probably isn't worth buying back into the go-fast scheme yet.

[Envious_Ivy1LE]

Originally Posted by ember1205

Sell now what you currently own. Bank the money and wait until spring of 2022 to BUY a 2022. If the ADM isn't gone by then (and replaced with incentives), then it probably isn't worth buying back into the go-fast scheme yet.

there is no banking the money lol I'm upside down in my V6. string of bad luck and poor decisions. wish I could have kept my 2017 WRX. I'd probably have made 10k selling it in this market.

I'm either going to buy something rare/limited and sell it before I buy another house. or I'm going to buy something that is a great value currently (considering the bad market) and keep it. in this scenario there's no Camaro until after I get a new house and get settled in.

[ember1205]

Originally Posted by Envious_Ivy1LE

there is no banking the money lol I'm upside down in my V6. string of bad luck and poor decisions. wish I could have kept my 2017 WRX. I'd probably have made 10k selling it in this market.

I'm either going to buy something rare/limited and sell it before I buy another house. or I'm going to buy something that is a great value currently (considering the bad market) and keep it. in this scenario there's no Camaro until after I get a new house and get settled in.

You said you're "about to have the money" to buy a new car. That was the basis for my comment.

If you're upside down and the cash coming only partially offsets it, that's a different story and likely NOT a good reason to buy another Camaro since its value now is high and it will drop when the overall market drops. You'd essentially just be kicking the can down the road.

[CamaroSSStlfan]

Originally Posted by Envious_Ivy1LE

dealers are charging ADM simply due to the limited new inventory right now and there's not much selection. used cars raised in price for the same reason.

unfortunately, I'd expect ADM to be the new normal on sports cars as the market gets more and more saturated with CUV & SUV. If we ever see Ford stop supporting rebates/incentives on mustang or dealers charging ADM on GT PP1/2 we're screwed.

I wouldn't be surprised at all to see ADM on cars like Miatas and GT86 in the coming years.

Market is oversaturated with suvs, vans and even 4 door sedans. Why make too many of these when even right now some lots I see still have too many of them even during the shortage. Why make such a glut of them if supply outweighs demand? Like the chevy equinox the dealers still have too many.

Also, not all dealers sneak in high fees. The chevy dealer near me I hate for example has all sorts of bs fees. 800 doc fee, fee for this, etc. But the dealer I bought my camaro from was straight forward with fees.

Just saw Estero Bay got another camaro in it looks like. I never seen a chevy dealer around here with so many v8 camaros at once. I wonder how they got the allocation.