[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by JB'sZL1

Absolutely true. I acknowledge that. But one has to admit it is eerily similar to the problems that plagued the Voodoo for years.

It is my understanding is the "break in procedure" for the GT500 is 100 miles, with no need to change the oil. I question the engineers' mindset at Ford when virtually all other musclecars' break in is 500-1500 miles, and generally with an oil change...for obvious reasons.

Originally Posted by ST1LE

Yeah, it is too early to make a call, but you are right about the Voodoo too. Ford reputation this Gen is not one of reliability, so it would be more shocking of the 500 was the exception to the rule in my eyes.

I also am not convinced that a hard break-in would be to blame anyway.

I'm not sure I trust these weird break in procedures. FCA had a 300 or 500 mile in for the Hellcats and look how that turned out...they were plagued with blower bearing issues. I'm not sure on the Doodoo I mean Voodoo break in but if the GT500 is only 100 miles then that seems stupid. GM has a 1500 mile break in on the LT4 engine. Now out of those 3, which one has the least problems? I would not trust any Ford with only a 100 mile break in and when they also claim you don't have to change the oil. No way. Not a Ford. And for damn sure not a high HP engine.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by TreedYou

I think it's entertaining how badly a car is bothering you is all, it's not even a human being.

It's psychologically interesting as well, after all the internet is just for entertainment.
The effects of an inanimate object on the human psyche is amazing, and will continue to be a source of entertainment.
Especially you and your expressions on a car you're obsessed with but discredit at every turn.


Maybe I am intrigued by the hypocrisy.

If it helps you to think I'm bothered, psycho, obsessed, hypocritical, or whatever then be my guest. There, you have your answer.

Originally Posted by shaffe

Here is the full version. GT500 VS Hellcat RE, Ferrari Superfast in a drag race and the Porsche on Chuckwalla

Yet they couldn't get a ZL1 or a Z06 out there? Seems like they're staging these comparos to favor the GT500...

[13vertss]

Maybe Ford won’t allow them to put it up against the zl1? I’m sure they set the stardard to use there car. You never saw a 350r vs 1le. Never saw a PP2 vs ss1le. Chances are the only way will see a head 2 head is if MT buys one. The closest will probably see is a comparison like the gt500 vs C8.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by 13vertss

Maybe Ford won’t allow them to put it up against the zl1? I’m sure they set the stardard to use there car. You never saw a 350r vs 1le. Never saw a PP2 vs ss1le. Chances are the only way will see a head 2 head is if MT buys one. The closest will probably see is a comparison like the gt500 vs C8.

It has appeared that the media has sheltered the S550. Every comparison has been a waste as expressed in this previous post.

Originally Posted by hotlap

Seriously. All the Mustang vs Camaro H2H have been a mismatched waste of time.

SS vs M4 (skipped the Mustang*)
ZL1 vs GT350R (why**)
1LE vs PP1 (***)

no PP2 vs 1LE
no GT350 vs 1LE (****)
no PP1 vs SS

* would have embarrassed and humiliated Ford
** Why H2H the ZL1 and GT350R if you’re going to judge subjectively on criteria not common to both cars? A grand touring trim vs a track car. Compare ZLE vs GT350R or don’t bother.
***should have let the SS embarrass and humiliate the PP1. The 1LE was overkill
****would have embarrassed and humiliated Ford

[Chadicus]

Originally Posted by ST1LE

Yeah, it is too early to make a call, but you are right about the Voodoo too. Ford reputation this Gen is not one of reliability, so it would be more shocking of the 500 was the exception to the rule in my eyes.

I also am not convinced that a hard break-in would be to blame anyway.

So... this is at least the second 500 with mechanical issues captured on YT. At what point does a Mustang guy just get a SC PP1 or SC PP2? Honestly.

[ST1LE]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

I'm not sure I trust these weird break in procedures. FCA had a 300 or 500 mile in for the Hellcats and look how that turned out...they were plagued with blower bearing issues. I'm not sure on the Doodoo I mean Voodoo break in but if the GT500 is only 100 miles then that seems stupid. GM has a 1500 mile break in on the LT4 engine. Now out of those 3, which one has the least problems? I would not trust any Ford with only a 100 mile break in and when they also claim you don't have to change the oil. No way. Not a Ford. And for damn sure not a high HP engine.

You make a good point bringing up the blower. You cant look at this as a N/A engine, and I would never break in an FI engine the way I did my LS3.

It seems weird to have such low requirements, because it isn't necessary at all. Nobody gets angry about break-in periods, just anxious and impatient at worst but we all get it. Will be interesting to compare the reliability of the Voodoo and the Predator(that what the 500 engine is right?) in a few years if we even need that long.

[ST1LE]

Originally Posted by Chadicus

So... this is at least the second 500 with mechanical issues captured on YT. At what point does a Mustang guy just get a SC PP1 or SC PP2? Honestly.

Oh, that is what is happening right now and will continue to happen. The vast majority of Mustang buyers could never afford a GT500. It will be a long time until they will be readily available w/o ADM. Few will be ordered bare bones, so it's a very rare Mustang buyer than can and will pony up to buy one. Relatively speaking of course, not trying to make them out to be unicorns or anything.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by 13vertss

Maybe Ford won’t allow them to put it up against the zl1? I’m sure they set the stardard to use there car. You never saw a 350r vs 1le. Never saw a PP2 vs ss1le. Chances are the only way will see a head 2 head is if MT buys one. The closest will probably see is a comparison like the gt500 vs C8.

Yea it is getting annoying. I can understand Ford's thinking tho...if this is true that is. It would look really bad if the GT500 lost to the ZLE. And I think the ZLE is enough of a performer that they would desperately want to steer clear of it.

Originally Posted by hotlap

It has appeared that the media has sheltered the S550. Every comparison has been a waste as expressed in this previous post.

Exactly!! On point.

Originally Posted by Chadicus

So... this is at least the second 500 with mechanical issues captured on YT. At what point does a Mustang guy just get a SC PP1 or SC PP2? Honestly.

Unfortunately the GT is just a GT no matter how you dress it up. Plus they have issues when FI is introduced too. Tuning issues. Mechanical issues. You name it. At least with the GT500 you get a warranty. By the time you get a similarly optioned GT to perform like a GT500 you probably would spend more than a GT500 anyway.

[Chadicus]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Unfortunately the GT is just a GT no matter how you dress it up. Plus they have issues when FI is introduced too. Tuning issues. Mechanical issues. You name it. At least with the GT500 you get a warranty. By the time you get a similarly optioned GT to perform like a GT500 you probably would spend more than a GT500 anyway.

Well when testers are comparing the 500 interior to a EcoBoost/GT Premium what are they really losing? LOL.

I understand that a GT is just a GT supercharged or not. But right now with these crazy ADMs its 100k cheaper. Or, you know they COULD go get a 63k ZL1.

[RobbyBeefcake87]

Originally Posted by shaffe

Here is the full version. GT500 VS Hellcat RE, Ferrari Superfast in a drag race and the Porsche on Chuckwalla

I watched that first, guess I should have included it lol

[RobbyBeefcake87]

Originally Posted by 13vertss

Maybe Ford won’t allow them to put it up against the zl1? I’m sure they set the stardard to use there car. You never saw a 350r vs 1le. Never saw a PP2 vs ss1le. Chances are the only way will see a head 2 head is if MT buys one. The closest will probably see is a comparison like the gt500 vs C8.

Car and Driver did a comparo of the pp2 vs 1le, 1le was clearly the winner. While MT didn't do a direct H2H with the 1le and pp2, they talked about the 1le and how they compare in the pp2 road test, another one for the good guys lol.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by Chadicus

Well when testers are comparing the 500 interior to a EcoBoost/GT Premium what are they really losing? LOL.

I understand that a GT is just a GT supercharged or not. But right now with these crazy ADMs its 100k cheaper. Or, you know they COULD go get a 63k ZL1.

That was one thing the magazines criticised them about. That interior having the same quality as a lower trim car is a bit unforgivable. But I don't think Ford ever really put a quality interior in any of their Mustangs.

And I doubt those markups are gonna drop any time soon. So building a GT might actually be the better choice. The Ford guys really painted themselves into a corner with those markups.

[RobbyBeefcake87]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Yea it is getting annoying. I can understand Ford's thinking tho...if this is true that is. It would look really bad if the GT500 lost to the ZLE. And I think the ZLE is enough of a performer that they would desperately want to steer clear of it.

Exactly!! On point.

Unfortunately the GT is just a GT no matter how you dress it up. Plus they have issues when FI is introduced too. Tuning issues. Mechanical issues. You name it. At least with the GT500 you get a warranty. By the time you get a similarly optioned GT to perform like a GT500 you probably would spend more than a GT500 anyway.

I would disagree about spending the same money if straight line speed is the measuring stick. Get a base GT a10 and stick a TT kid or a 2650 and you'll be faster than a gt500 for way less money just no warranty.

Shoot probably for around the same money or less, depending on the deal you get, you could supercharge a gt350 to 800whp and have a manmission. T56 swap it while you're at it to have a proper transmission that'll handle the power and you might still be within budget.

I say straight line, because I don't see the point to getting a GT to try to compete with a 500 on a road course.

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

If it helps you to think I'm bothered, psycho, obsessed, hypocritical, or whatever then be my guest. There, you have your answer.

Yet they couldn't get a ZL1 or a Z06 out there? Seems like they're staging these comparos to favor the GT500...

Who knows, maybe it is Ford "protecting" it but I don't see an argument there. They are both grand touring supercharged cars. The only time I know Ford said NO was when they wanted to test a SS1LE against the BOSS 302 and ford said no because of something like one is a package one is a model or one is out of production or something lame like that.

Originally Posted by 13vertss

Maybe Ford won’t allow them to put it up against the zl1? I’m sure they set the stardard to use there car. You never saw a 350r vs 1le. Never saw a PP2 vs ss1le. Chances are the only way will see a head 2 head is if MT buys one. The closest will probably see is a comparison like the gt500 vs C8.

Originally Posted by hotlap

It has appeared that the media has sheltered the S550. Every comparison has been a waste as expressed in this previous post.

It has been a weird way of testing this generation. Maybe we will get an answer one day. Brand loyalty aside at least in the case of MT so far it seems all of their test data and comparisons have come from one article spread out over three articles.

So they had the Vegas event impressions

Then their first drive impressions and track impressions came from the few days they had at VIR, then the "test" against the C8 which was a mashup of the GT500 review and C8 review since both happened at VIR. Then their deeper dive into the GT500 with the full review also, just pulled data from the VIR runs and seemed to come from those days of testing.

MT has put 3 articles out on the GT500, all of them from the same intial article and days of testing. They have not done an actual head to head or test against any other car yet. They have fluffed out the same article into 3 different ones.

C&D has just had their initial review and no comparisons yet. R&T has done nothing yet outside of the vegas event

With the exception of the video above there hasn't really been any head to head test of the GT500 yet with any car.

So do any of the magazines even have a test car yet or do they only have a media car that is getting loaned like GM did with the C8?

Originally Posted by Chadicus

Well when testers are comparing the 500 interior to a EcoBoost/GT Premium what are they really losing? LOL.

I understand that a GT is just a GT supercharged or not. But right now with these crazy ADMs its 100k cheaper. Or, you know they COULD go get a 63k ZL1.

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

That was one thing the magazines criticised them about. That interior having the same quality as a lower trim car is a bit unforgivable. But I don't think Ford ever really put a quality interior in any of their Mustangs.

And I doubt those markups are gonna drop any time soon. So building a GT might actually be the better choice. The Ford guys really painted themselves into a corner with those markups.

That has been a common complaint in the reviews that I have seen but isn't the ZL1 interior the same as a 2SS? So shouldn't the same complaint apply there?