[SpeedIsLife]

Or maybe when they say it's too expensive is...

It's a good car but I cannot comfortably afford it.

Maybe they are saying...

I don't want to spend $40,000 on an automatic 1SS.

All the "oh it is worth it though" doesn't matter a single bit if you're not comfortable spending that much. It's really not that complicated despite several people trying to psychoanalyze the deeper psyche of people who are choosing between the three cars in the segment

[merlin803]

Or for a crude visual comparison

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by raptor5244

Good analogy. Most of us are all saying the same thing, as we dissect the buying processes that take place when one purchases a car. I think the main point is if you truly like the Mustang or Challenger or whatever then that is fine but just don't be too quick to dismiss the Camaro based on price if you don't know what you are comparing. GM included a lot of content in these cars, which increases the cost a bit over the previous gen5 and Mustang. If folks are saying the Camaro SS is too expensive then what they are really saying is...

- I don't want that much performance.
- I don't want the lighter and better handling car.
- I don't value options like MRC and factory NPP exhaust.
- I don't care about 20" wheels with Goodyear run flats, 18" with Pirellis are good enough.
- I prefer a MT82 manual trans to a Tremec manual with active rev matching
- I prefer a 6 speed auto to a much more advanced quick shifting 8 speed from the corvette stingray.
- I prefer the Coyote 5.0 to the direct injected 6.2l LT1 producing more hp and significantly more torque.

Just naming some off the top of my head but if you are aware of differences and still don't care then you made and informed buying decision but if you just look at the price without determining why it costs more then you may just miss out on a great buy.

You are simply making the same enthusiasts argument on the SS only that results in a magazine win in every comparison to date.

Sales, however, are not made up of SS and GTs. So you ignore the customer that not only doesn't care about the number of gears in the automatic but don't even know it matters in their V6 or I4 car.

To many reviews the Mustang has an equal or better interior, a larger more usefull trunk and hare to bring it up but much better outward visibility. For many customers including some GT buyers these things matter.

Oh and you will get a solid argument on the whether or not a DOHC is higher technical than the OLD pushrod ngine on the Camaro. Not buying or selling on that's because i understand the technology in the LS and LT engine families.

[merlin803]

Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife

Or maybe when they say it's too expensive is...

It's a good car but I cannot comfortably afford it.

Maybe they are saying...

I don't want to spend $40,000 on an automatic 1SS.

All the "oh it is worth it though" doesn't matter a single bit if you're not comfortable spending that much. It's really not that complicated despite several people trying to psychoanalyze the deeper psyche of people who are choosing between the three cars in the segment

That is a valid argument, there are lots of cars that I would have loved to own and couldn't afford, or maybe just thought it may be a little overpriced, but I wouldn't jump on their enthusiast forum to try to tear the car down because of it (not talking about anyone in particular).

[raptor5244]

Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife

Or maybe when they say it's too expensive is...

It's a good car but I cannot comfortably afford it.

Maybe they are saying...

I don't want to spend $40,000 on an automatic 1SS.

All the "oh it is worth it though" doesn't matter a single bit if you're not comfortable spending that much. It's really not that complicated despite several people trying to psychoanalyze the deeper psyche of people who are choosing between the three cars in the segment

Totally agree on the affordability. In my example I am assuming someone is looking at a 35-40k car and also assuming that they can afford it. In my experience once you shop these cars that are not as far apart in price as everyone makes them out to be. I really think if you compare similar models you are within $2k of each other, maybe a tad more on the lower end models due to how GM loaded them up with content. So, if you really like the Camaro better then 2-3k more should not be a deal breaker. Maybe just save a bit more before buying.

Personally, I kinda of like that the sales of Camaros are not super high. I really hope GM limits their fleet sales of the Camaro. When I see the Mustang rental cars all over the road they send out that "dime a dozen" impression and it tends to cheapen the car even when I see that nice 5.0 GT rolling down the road. I have also noticed that the resale value of the Mustang is often lower due to all the used availability in the market. I have the opportunity to go to local auto auctions from time to time and when a run of the mill mustang GT heads across the block it doesn't generate the same level of excitement from buyers like a nice Camaro or Challenger does.

[hangover]

Originally Posted by nvrsatisfied

You can have the GT right now, go get it.

Have since Oct last year. See, the thing about the 5.0 is it doesn't matter if you have the '15,'16' or '17... the comments never cease from people how incredibly right Ford got the styling on this car inside and out.

Its called a "home run" in the auto biz. And Ford hit it out of the park.

[Razzaa]

Originally Posted by hangover

Have since Oct last year. See, the thing about the 5.0 is it doesn't matter if you have the '15,'16' or '17... the comments never cease from people how incredibly right Ford got the styling on this car inside and out.



Its called a "home run" in the auto biz. And Ford hit it out of the park.

Ford Mustangs hit a lot of things these days......

[nvrsatisfied]

Originally Posted by merlin803

That is a valid argument, there are lots of cars that I would have loved to own and couldn't afford, or maybe just thought it may be a little overpriced, but I wouldn't jump on their enthusiast forum to try to tear the car down because of it (not talking about anyone in particular).

+1

[nvrsatisfied]

Originally Posted by hangover

Have since Oct last year. See, the thing about the 5.0 is it doesn't matter if you have the '15,'16' or '17... the comments never cease from people how incredibly right Ford got the styling on this car inside and out.

Its called a "home run" in the auto biz. And Ford hit it out of the park.

I owned one too and it wasn't even a base hit. That thunk in the transmission when going into first gear, the vibrating hood, the floaty suspension on shifts, all was resolved by buying the Camaro.

[motorhead]

Originally Posted by merlin803

Or for a crude visual comparison

Man Ford hit it out of the park with that design. That is a great value.

[BrianL]

I have been a lifelong car enthusiast. I have always lusted after performance cars & sports cars, & have had many Mustangs (my first was a '69 Mach 1 Cobra Jet with the 428), many Nissan Z cars (well the first was a Datsun 240Z before they changed the name to Nissan), We are not the normal consumer as we tend to keep our cars a very long time as we want to get our money's worth & really don't like to take on car debt. My last car I ordered from the factory was a 3003 Infinity G35 sports coupe with the Brembos & a M6. Great car, solid reliability, kept my interest for a very long time. I have enjoyed building up a stout Fox body Mustang the car before that, kept that for over 10 years also. The aftermarket for Mustangs was amazing.

We cross shopped the Mustang GT with the Gen6 Camaro, read every review, cast a wide net on internet pricing, drove both. For us, it came down to what we thought would keep our interest for the next 10 years, & we chose the 2SS. Wasn't a fan of the Gen5, but the Gen6 was done really well. I'm now 62, I figured I have one last hot rod left in me.

So Chevy got +1 from us for July Camaro sales! We would argue that if you get something that keeps your interest for a very long time, in the long run it's a better value as we will keep the car longer. The extra money at that point is more then made up for by not going to a different car earlier.

[Speedy1975]

Originally Posted by hangover

Have since Oct last year. See, the thing about the 5.0 is it doesn't matter if you have the '15,'16' or '17... the comments never cease from people how incredibly right Ford got the styling on this car inside and out.

Its called a "home run" in the auto biz. And Ford hit it out of the park.

Maybe on the Mustang forum. Nearly everyone I speak with, and me as well, think Ford completely missed the mark on the styling, particularly the rear. It looks like a cross between a beetle and something else to my eye.

I honestly thought I would replace my 370Z with a Mustang when I heard they were re-designing it. I liked the looks of the previous gen Mustang, but the transmissions were garbage. I was completely let down by the 2015 I drove. I even drove the GT twice hoping the performance would knock my socks off and make up for the poor styling. I was disappointed there as well. The car felt front heavy and un-balanced and they should have spent a few more bucks and done the "air craft"switches out of metal rather than coated plastic. The guys on the Mopar forum gave me a hard time about going on and on about the "new" Mustang, so I'm about as unbiased as they get. In the end I decided to just keep the 370Z, then I saw, and test drove, the Gen6 Camaro and the rest is history. It blew my socks off like I had hoped the Mustang would.

The Roush package helps the styling A LOT on the Mustang. My wife had one as a rental a couple weeks back on a girl trip to FL. She liked it so we may still end up with one, but it won't be my first choice to pull out of the garage in. If she gets one, it'll have to have a Roush package on it though.

[CapeCruisin]

July won't be much better.

[EricTheCamaroGuy]

Originally Posted by merlin803

Or for a crude visual comparison

How funny! Not in a sarcastic tone, but I do think it is funny