[Sales @ CAI Inc]

Originally Posted by Roto-fab 1

I can't speak to the K&N warranty, but I do feel the need to defend myself here.

I assume the above message is from Kyle,

You have accused us on many occasions of working with forum members and conspiring to trash your name. Over the course of time, I hope you understand that the forum members who favor the Roto-fab CAI have nothing to gain. They have received a great quality system, with outstanding customer service, and performance that they expect. This wonderful combination makes it a no-brainer to go tell the world about the Roto-fab system.

My dad built this company from nothing out of our barn in Indiana. So I take your comments very personally. This is also why I have a truly personal dedication to our product and our customers. We value our customers tremendously, but we do not pay them as you have suggested.

We have created the ideal CAI for the 2016 Camaro SS, and will continue to inform everyone as we see fit.

Thanks everyone for your interest and support!
Michael

That's great Michael. We know your Father Mike has done a nice job!

This thread was started by a fellow forum member asking about a K&N intake and possible warranty voids. Somehow, along the way, you and Tsloper decided to make it about Roto-Fab and how your systems are the best all while knocking the competition.

We don't make false claims about our competitors for our personal gains. Let's just stick to promoting and informing others about our own products. You know nothing about ours. Yet, you go out of your way to try to discredit others.

We too believe that we have manufactured the ideal CAI for the 2016 Camaro SS.

Let's stick to discussing our OWN products. It is the right thing to do.

Thank you to everyone for your support!

[TSloper]

Originally Posted by Sales @ CAI Inc

Tim, we also would have had allowed you to return our system, if you were not happy with it (we take care of our customers). However, you never offered to purchase our system. We are fine with the fact that you like the Roto-Fab system and want to promote it. We just believe it is unfair for you to bash other manufactures and forum sponsors along the way. You have never purchased or personally tested these systems. Actually, bashing them is not productive to the forum no matter what.

You claim our system skews the MAF, but YOU have never purchased or personally tested our system, and you claim there has never been any independent tests done. So, how can you possibly make your claims about our product and why are you going out of your way to do so?. How does it skew the MAF and by what percentages? Your claims are unfounded and malicious. We understand that you have knowledge and have some friends on this forum (that's great), but we believe you are falsely attacking manufactures based on your personal bias. We have sold over a thousand of the 6th Gen systems and our customers are very happy!!!

Our system is made of aluminum NOT plastic. Once again, you provided another false statement. Why are you doing this? We know you were infuriated that we would not share all our R&D during the process but we are a manufacturer that was in a competitive market to be first to market. We can now see why you needed that data back then and boy were you angry.

The whistle noise was impacted by about 6% of OEM vehicles that had a particular intake manifold casting, to blame us for that is really sad. We tested on several vehicles, they were all in the 94% of vehicles that did NOT whistle, so how could we have possible known? Also, when we found out there was a problem we quickly developed and manufactured a part that eliminated the whistle, even though we did not cause the whistle, so that our customers were happy. FYI, We did NOT charge them for the part or for shipping costs.

We apologize if some people think we are being unprofessional but when you spend so much time and so many resources to bring a quality aftermarket product to the marketplace, and have a competitor and their friend falsely and continually degrade your product, yes, sometimes we have to respond and fight back.

There are multiple cold air intake systems to chose from out there, some will like the Cold Air, Inductions, Inc and some will prefer the Roto-Fab and that's great. The manufacturers and their friends should not be falsely and maliciously attack each other though. We just needed to set the record straight so that end users can make their decision based on the facts not personal reasons of another member.

Thank you to all of our supporters and fellow forum members. We apologize to all of you for the lengthy response, but sometimes we too have to say enough is enough. Thanks again.

Set the record straight? I asked early on for the information that would set the record straight and you flat out declined to step up and show the upside and downside of YOUR product. You hid behind "proprietary data" claims. That was your choice. Other vendors are much more forth coming.

As for personal experience I have not purchased your unit or Mishimotos. But I have been sent logs from people that have and it is obvious where the deficiencies are.

Tell you what CAI... Since you are big enough to single out a single forum member that has done nothing but try to get to the "facts" put your money where your mouth is and send me a kit to put on my car and compare log the MAF error FREE OF CHARGE. I will present the data on this forum the same way I presented the Rotofab data as it pertains to the MAF. It will be nothing but what the logs show.

I have a Mishimoto unit coming from a forum member that asked me to fix it for him. Are you going to step up or hide behind nonsense? You picked the wrong person to jump on on this one.

Tim

[Sales @ CAI Inc]

Originally Posted by TSloper

Set the record straight? I asked early on for the information that would set the record straight and you flat out declined to step up and show the upside and downside of YOUR product. You hid behind "proprietary data" claims. That was your choice. Other vendors are much more forth coming.

As for personal experience I have not purchased your unit or Mishimotos. But I have been sent logs from people that have and it is obvious where the deficiencies are.

Tell you what CAI... Since you are big enough to single out a single forum member that has done nothing but try to get to the "facts" put your money where your mouth is and send me a kit to put on my car and compare log the MAF error FREE OF CHARGE. I will present the data on this forum the same way I presented the Rotofab data as it pertains to the MAF.

I have a Mishimoto unit coming from a forum member that asked me to fix it for him. Are you going to step up or hide behind nonsense? You picked the wrong person to jump on on this one.

Tim

Tim,

We are simply informing everyone that you have NOT touched or tested our system. Therefore, they are not being persuaded by someone who is angry that we did NOT give them what they demanded from us. If your were in the manufacturing business, you would KNOW that you don't share proprietary data for the benefit of your competition. We are only responding to your false claims to remind everyone that you felt jaded when we did not give you what you wanted. We look forward to a true independent and unbiased comparison of all of the aftermarket systems for the 2016 Camaro systems. I am sure that most will see what you have been doing. Remember, this thread was about someone buying a K&N system and asking about possible warranty issues, but YOU told them to cancel the order and buy Roto-Fab, why? This is not what this member was asking for. If you want to add value, answer his or her question that was asked. They never asked YOU what system they should buy.

[Roto-fab 1]

Originally Posted by Sales @ CAI Inc

That's great Michael. We know your Father Mike has done a nice job!

We don't make false claims about our competitors for our personal gains. Let's just stick to promoting and informing others about our own products. You know nothing about ours.

Actually I do know a few things about your system. Independent testing has shown it to gain little to no horsepower without a tune. Also, we have data logged your system, and it showed an AFR @ WOT of 10.9, while a similar snapshot of the Roto-fab system is running 12.2-12.4 @ WOT.

Direct question to Kyle:

Where have I lied or shared misinformation about your product? Where are the "false claims" you speak of? If you can provide me with the quotes of any false information I may have shared, I would be glad to edit. However, I feel I have done my job to effectively and honestly share the difference between Roto-fab and the competition.

I look forward to settling this ongoing dispute.

Michael

[TSloper]

Manufacturing business? I work for a $6.5B electronics contract manufacturer. How's that for an example of not knowing what you are taking about folks?

You absolutely will not address the deficiency of your product. You hope ignorance will get you over that hump. Bottom line is you could step up and demonstrate it doesn't exist in no time flat but we both know that can't happen. You don't even try.

The only jaded one is you. I challenged Rotofab and they stepped up. They have a kit that doesn't screw things up.

[Sales @ CAI Inc]

Originally Posted by Roto-fab 1

Actually I do know a few things about your system. Independent testing has shown it to gain little to no horsepower without a tune. Also, we have data logged your system, and it showed an AFR @ WOT of 10.9, while a similar snapshot of the Roto-fab system is running 12.2-12.4 @ WOT.

Direct question to Kyle:

Where have I lied or shared misinformation about your product? Where are the "false claims" you speak of? If you can provide me with the quotes of any false information I may have shared, I would be glad to edit. However, I feel I have done my job to effectively and honestly share the difference between Roto-fab and the competition.

I look forward to settling this ongoing dispute.



Michael

Michael,

Let's see.....The false claims and implications that our system created the whistle or caused CEL's. Both statements are completely false and it's really disappointing that a company has to stoop to this.

Most people will see through your unprofessional tactics. We are sure that the data you are referring above was compiled under different settings with varying conditions to make yours appear superior. We also know that you purchased our system in order to complete your R&D (Thanks). We will no longer play along with your unprofessional games. We have NEVER made one disparaging comment about the Roto-Fab product, just your tactics, Michael.

[cellsafemode]

Wow this derailed completely as expected.