[HDRDTD]

What I have wondered about for quite some time is, what about charging your car while at work?
How many companies, in an effort to promote EV vehicles, would install charging stations themselves for employees to use?
Obviously I'm only talking about a limited number of charging stations, similar to the usual number of 'handicapped' parking spaces.
IF charging stations were available at work, people could just charge ther cars while working.
However, what I always wonder about is, would the employer provide them at no cost to the individual as a way to promote the use of EV's, OR would those charging stations be available at some sort of cost to the user. and if so, how would the user pay or be billed?

If charging stations were available at work, this would at least help those people that either can't afford a charging system at home or can't have a charging station at home due to living in an apartment, etc.
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[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by HDRDTD

What I have wondered about for quite some time is, what about charging your car while at work?
How many companies, in an effort to promote EV vehicles, would install charging stations themselves for employees to use?
Obviously I'm only talking about a limited number of charging stations, similar to the usual number of 'handicapped' parking spaces.
IF charging stations were available at work, people could just charge ther cars while working.
However, what I always wonder about is, would the employer provide them at no cost to the individual as a way to promote the use of EV's, OR would those charging stations be available at some sort of cost to the user. and if so, how would the user pay or be billed?

If charging stations were available at work, this would at least help those people that either can't afford a charging system at home or can't have a charging station at home due to living in an apartment, etc.
?

Place of business chargers would likely be managed by keycard. Employees already tend to have keycards that provide them access to the parts of the business where they need access and no access where they don’t. Businesses would probably allow employees to “register” their EVs with the system so that only employees have access to the charging stations. If there is any chargeback to the employees, that could also be easily managed through the keycard.

The way it works today for public charging stations is you have a keycard for the network you normally use. We have ChargePoint keycards for use with our Volt. So when I park in front of the RenCen, I use the ChargePoint card. GM covers the cost, but if they didn’t, it would go against our ChargePoint account. EZGo, ChargeAmerica and others do the same. Ford is setting up their EV owners with a FordPass system that works as a go between with all the systems, so the Ford EV owner doesn’t have to have multiple charger access cards dangling from their keychain.

[HDRDTD]

I guess I'm more wondering about smaller companies that have say, less than 300-400 employees.
It would make perfect sense for the automotive companies themselves to provide charging stations.
For charging stations at work where there would be possibly more EV users than stations, would there possibly be a way for the charging stations to limit your charge time by either a predetermined charging duration (ie 3 hours perhaps) or by notifing you that the charge is complete urging the charging user to move his car from the charging station to a regular parking spot and freeing up the station for another user?
It wouldn't be fair to others if a user plugs his EV in when they arrive in the morning and having their EV charged in just a few hours yet remain for the duration of their shift when there are others needing a charge ?

[UnknownJinX]

I know small companies that are struggling with parking spots to start with. Now you want them to provide charging on top of parking?

And remember that companies probably have to pay to get those charging stations built themselves, including all the wiring.

It's the same reason why apartments will be tricky with a proposed all-EV scenario. Lots of infrastructure change and cost are involved here.

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by arpad_m

You're missing the point by the man from Torrance entirely, it isn't about the status quo but the direction and the increasing lack of regard for any dissent en route to an unquestionable destination. Either you are very naive or you haven't yet realized how this played out repeatedly throughout history.

No I got the point. Just that there are a lot of people sounding like the Dems did 4 years ago. Losing an election you were sure you could win to a side with a vastly different view of the priories is not tyranny.

Tyranny would not allow an election in 2 years to win some of it back.

Oh, and I get it that this is the internet and YOU get to declare an either or for me but luckily for me you happen to be wrong. Not naive and a pretty good student of history.

But hey let’s get back to that EV Camaro that is our only hope.

[HDRDTD]

Originally Posted by UnknownJinX

I know small companies that are struggling with parking spots to start with. Now you want them to provide charging on top of parking?

And remember that companies probably have to pay to get those charging stations built themselves, including all the wiring.

It's the same reason why apartments will be tricky with a proposed all-EV scenario. Lots of infrastructure change and cost are involved here.

I fully understand what it would cost the company to install and operate the stations, that's why I was curious how the company would decide to offset the cost.

A. the company provides the stations no cost to the user as a way of promoting the use of EVs.

B. The company provides the stations but charges the users for their use, thus recouping the installation costs.

Of course all of this would be an option for each company. They would have to decide if they have enough space to dedicate a few spaces to chargers, plus, do they even have enough EV users working there to make sense to even offer the stations at all.

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by HDRDTD

I fully understand what it would cost the company to install and operate the stations, that's why I was curious how the company would decide to offset the cost.

A. the company provides the stations no cost to the user as a way of promoting the use of EVs.

B. The company provides the stations but charges the users for their use, thus recouping the installation costs.

Of course all of this would be an option for each company. They would have to decide if they have enough space to dedicate a few spaces to chargers, plus, do they even have enough EV users working there to make sense to even offer the stations at all.

It also comes down to how the owners behave, too. We have two chargers in the parking deck at my company. Only the people who work for my company can park on those levels. Any EV can plug into them, provided you are allowed to park on the floor. The couple times I’ve driven my wife’s Volt I could have parked at a charger, since I typically get there earlier than most. But I haven’t because I already had more than enough charge to get through my plans for the day.

Most, if not all new EVs have an app that tells you when your car is done charging, so you can go out and move it. Our first Volt back in 2012 had that feature and so does our 2017. Can’t imagine an EV without it.

[HDRDTD]

To MartinJim.
As a longtime owner of the hybrid Volt, do you see a full EV in your near future ?

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by HDRDTD

To MartinJim.
As a longtime owner of the hybrid Volt, do you see a full EV in your near future ?

Absolutely. Either a Cadillac Lyriq, a particular Chevy SUV I expect will launch in 2023, or a Mach E. If Camaro goes EV, that might happen, too if I don’t cave in and pick up a C8 before then.

And FWIW, the Volt is actually a short range EV with a gas engine range extender. GM got tired of trying to explain that to people and stopped arguing when people call it a hybrid. Hybrids run on a blend of gas and electric and switch back and forth between the two. Volt operates on electric until it can’t. Then it turns on the engine to charge the battery and to send power to the electric motor while the battery is being charged.

[HDRDTD]

The Lyriq looks interesting. I just wonder what it will sell for. After all, it IS a Cadillac.

https://www.cadillac.com/future-vehicles/lyriq

[c4racer]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

Thing is, the governmental end-game is not to dictate EVs. It is to clean up the environment. EVs are just seen as an effective tool to get there. For that reason, since it’s NOT the central objective, the ramifications are less understood or mitigated. The 21st century version of “Let them eat cake”. Just an aside, it would work better if people understood more than just the sound bite of what Marie Antoinette actually said and knew what she was responding to https://www.history.com/news/did-mar...-them-eat-cake <— in addition to this info from history.com, another account states that when she was told that people were starving and had no bread, her response was “perhaps we can provide them some of our cake”

The Gov end game is not to clean up the environment. Not even close. They could literally care less about that. That is a tool being used because it sounds to a reasonable person like a good idea. Ya we should save the planet.

It’s not about that even a fraction of a percent.

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by UnknownJinX

I mean, there are EV pickup trucks coming out. Not sure how their range is while towing, would be curious to see.

That is one of the big things I wondered about when GM said they were going all electric by 2035. How are the trucks going to perform? I know powerwise it won't be a problem, but what about the people that really work their trucks.

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

But how many times does anybody drive 350 miles in one day? Personally, I do that 3 - 4 times a year. In the meantime, you can wake up every morning with the full range available to you and not stop at a gas station or a charging station for months. I’m not going to choose a car based on something that I only do 3 - 4 times a year. Especially now that charging networks and fast charging are available. If it takes me a few minutes more to use a fast charger than it would have taken me to fill up with gas, I’m not gonna be too concerned, because that might happen 3 - 4 times a year.

Our next car will probably be Cadillac Lyriq to replace both the Volt and the SRX. The interior on the Lyriq is spectacular. Lyriq or a particular Chevy EV that my company forecasts will be on the market in 2023.

From a small business owners perspective, sales reps still cover a lot of miles daily lol. That's about all I can think of who might hit that kind of mileage daily lol

This next point gets touched on below

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

I agree wholeheartedly with the statement in bold and that is why I personally say that we may never get to 100% electric. People will have to choose the product that best suits their needs. And for the person in lower Manhattan on the 4th floor of an apartment that doesn’t have a dedicated parking spot, it’s probably an ICE. Where reality and public policy will collide is when you have large cities become Zero Emissions Zones. In that scenario, people living in accommodations with no access to a dedicated charger will be told they can’t operate their ICE vehicle near their home.

This is one of the biggest problems I see with EVs. So many people living in apartments, condos, some with dedicated parking others with street parking it's not a totally viable solution. Hell a few of my friends when they lived in Chicago had to park a few blocks away from their apartment.

Originally Posted by HDRDTD

I fully understand what it would cost the company to install and operate the stations, that's why I was curious how the company would decide to offset the cost.

A. the company provides the stations no cost to the user as a way of promoting the use of EVs.

B. The company provides the stations but charges the users for their use, thus recouping the installation costs.

Of course all of this would be an option for each company. They would have to decide if they have enough space to dedicate a few spaces to chargers, plus, do they even have enough EV users working there to make sense to even offer the stations at all.

Devils advocate (I been doing that alot lately around here lol) That wouldn't work for my company or any business in my industrial park. the rear of all the buildings is loading docks so parking is essentially in the front of the building which is street parking. Could maybe tuck a few in the back in between loading docks but that might not be the most effective space for them

[COKen]

Originally Posted by shaffe

This is one of the biggest problems I see with EVs. So many people living in apartments, condos, some with dedicated parking others with street parking it's not a totally viable solution. Hell a few of my friends when they lived in Chicago had to park a few blocks away from their apartment.

I'll bet that someone will come up with a solution to this problem and I'll also bet it will cost these people a lot of money to take advantage of it.

[ST1LE]

Originally Posted by shaffe

This is one of the biggest problems I see with EVs. So many people living in apartments, condos, some with dedicated parking others with street parking it's not a totally viable solution. Hell a few of my friends when they lived in Chicago had to park a few blocks away from their apartment.

This is a problem, but there are many solutions coming around. All the new places down here have charging stations. My apartment has their 8 closest spaces on each floor(16 total spaces) reserved for electric vehicles.

When I think of these guys charging for free, while I'm paying for gas, it makes me want an EV pretty bad. Help me offset the gas guzzling muscle car from the 60's destined for my garage in the next few years.