[shaffe]

According to M/T everyone that buys the car also gets a day at the Bondurant racing school.

Also props to Dodge. This thing is insane, yes they realized the only car they could make was a 1/4 bruiser and they went all out. Good for them.

[HogsFan75]

My first thought last night after I finished drooling.
lol

[LesBaer]

Originally Posted by SuperSound

The A/C trick has been out in the aftermarket for awhile. I posted a link in this thread about one for a 5th gen ZL1. Dodge pretty much used all the best drag racing tricks/tweaks. But it really doesn't help anything but FI cars since they have the biggest issues with heat soak.

Dodge uses SAE ratings just like GM and Ford. If they said 840, it will be 840HP SAE on the engine dyno. And it's auto only, so there will be claims again about how it's "underrated" from the uneducated.

Interesting, thx...I didn't even know that AC thing was out there already.

So one other question I had was about the blower and building boost. That's another cool feature - but if they're building a serious drag car, why didn't they go with turbos?

[LibertyHill]

I finally stooped and watched the overdramatized show. Impressive performance no doubt, but it better be when you're polishing a 10-year-old turd.

No disrespect intended. I was a Mopar guy for most of my life, and when family responsibilities took over my fondest automotive memories were of a '73 Challenger with a 400HP RHS crate motor set up like a Trans Am car lowered with big swaybars, wheels, and wide low-profile tires. The initial release of the E-body was promoted with the T/A and AAR variants designed for the road course. These were the muscle cars that could handle, and that is exactly what I expected in 2008. Fail.

Props to Dodge for grabbing the only straw left to them and running with it. A manufacturer finally built something the good old boys have been building in garages for decades. A purpose-built car that singularly defines a true gearhead and the creativity of the automotive hobbyist. Cars that are as individual as every builder. And as impractical on the street as a car can possibly be.

Now available canned. And promoted with garbage gang rap. Puke. I'm proud to be driving a Chevy.

[LesBaer]

Originally Posted by LibertyHill

I finally stooped and watched the overdramatized show. Impressive performance no doubt, but it better be when you're polishing a 10-year-old turd.

No disrespect intended. I was a Mopar guy for most of my life, and when family responsibilities took over my fondest automotive memories were of a '73 Challenger with a 400HP RHS crate motor set up like a Trans Am car lowered with big swaybars, wheels, and wide low-profile tires. The initial release of the E-body was promoted with the T/A and AAR variants designed for the road course. These were the muscle cars that could handle, and that is exactly what I expected in 2008. Fail.

Props to Dodge for grabbing the only straw left to them and running with it. A manufacturer finally built something the good old boys have been building in garages for decades. A purpose-built car that singularly defines a true gearhead and the creativity of the automotive hobbyist. Cars that are as individual as every builder. And as impractical on the street as a car can possibly be.

Now available canned. And promoted with garbage gang rap. Puke. I'm proud to be driving a Chevy.

Part of me is still confused why they didn't go turbo with all these other bells and whistles that you normally see on a turbo big block or N02 small block. I might be weird for saying this, but I'm more interested in seeing what I can do at the strip with a manual transmission. When you get into sub 10 second times, it's more about build decisions and tuning.

[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by LesBaer

So one other question I had was about the blower and building boost. That's another cool feature - but if they're building a serious drag car, why didn't they go with turbos?

Probably comes down to costs. Dodge doesn't have a large displacement turbo V8, so they would have to do complete redesigns. What's cheaper? Do what racers do, bigger blower, beefed up internals, more air, better cooling, and race gas. All easily done without huge sums of R&D money, which is the Dodge way.

You have to give them credit for doing the most with the least. It'd be one thing if they were doing well as a company, but pumping out products like this to get around bean counters. But as it stands, it's more like the desperate dying throes of Dodge performance before FCA completely ruins the company. Prime example, their hyping the number of views it brought to dodge.com is sad. The music videos captured 10-20X the views. People watching those videos don't care about Dodge or their performance.

Originally Posted by LibertyHill

The initial release of the E-body was promoted with the T/A and AAR variants designed for the road course. These were the muscle cars that could handle, and that is exactly what I expected in 2008. Fail.

No fail was when they resurrected the T/A nameplate with zero improvement in handling over the '14 SRT cars and essentially the same as a Scat Pack.

[RobertSmith]

We might not agree with the way they did some of what they did, but sales say they are right.

Anyway, a supercharger was used because that is a correct call-back to drag-racing's past. Either turbos or superchargers can make so much power that the parasitic losses don't matter that much compared to traction. I'm sure someone will tear off the supercharger and throw turbos on there.

[RobertSmith]

Originally Posted by HogsFan75

I was just telling someone this last night.
Just having some cash and good credit doesn't mean you can drive.

Well you see people turning off traction control and going full throttle with manual trans cars here. Normal SS, 1LE , ZL1s they are all going to be a hand full.

[LesBaer]

Originally Posted by RobertSmith

We might not agree with the way they did some of what they did, but sales say they are right.

Anyway, a supercharger was used because that is a correct call-back to drag-racing's past. Either turbos or superchargers can make so much power that the parasitic losses don't matter that much compared to traction. I'm sure someone will tear off the supercharger and throw turbos on there.

Gotcha, thanks.

[somewhatdamaged]

Originally Posted by LibertyHill

I finally stooped and watched the overdramatized show. Impressive performance no doubt, but it better be when you're polishing a 10-year-old turd.

No disrespect intended. I was a Mopar guy for most of my life, and when family responsibilities took over my fondest automotive memories were of a '73 Challenger with a 400HP RHS crate motor set up like a Trans Am car lowered with big swaybars, wheels, and wide low-profile tires. The initial release of the E-body was promoted with the T/A and AAR variants designed for the road course. These were the muscle cars that could handle, and that is exactly what I expected in 2008. Fail.

Props to Dodge for grabbing the only straw left to them and running with it. A manufacturer finally built something the good old boys have been building in garages for decades. A purpose-built car that singularly defines a true gearhead and the creativity of the automotive hobbyist. Cars that are as individual as every builder. And as impractical on the street as a car can possibly be.

Now available canned. And promoted with garbage gang rap. Puke. I'm proud to be driving a Chevy.

Epic post

[whiteboyblues2001]

So, another impact of this new Demon, is how it will influence (or already has) the impending GT500. I highly doubt the new GT500 (if there is one) will be able to turn a better 1/4 mile time than this Demon, so what is the mission? What is the marketing angle? It won't be a track focused car, because that is the GT350's domain. It won't be a drag king, because of the Demon. Will they go for more HP for the HP king title even though the Demon will beat it on the strip? Will it be marketed as a triple threat like the ZL1? If so, they better bring it, cause the ZL1 ain't messing around.

It will be interesting to see where the GT500 fits into all this.

[Wheel Team 6]

Originally Posted by LesBaer

Yeah, he almost killed us both that day we went out to lunch...never again lol.

I think the stats on the car are very impressive for a car that comes with a warranty, and especially think the cold air trick with the AC is cool. That'll be out in the aftermarket for all cars very soon I bet. The rest of it is comprised of things we already have access to. I'm not sure I heard them say that the HP was at the wheel though or crank. I don't remember hearing him say at the wheel and I think he would have. 730rwhp for an M6 = 840hp at the crank I believe. Our cars may also be lighter without any weight reduction - not sure on that. I don't know though...I still laugh when I see Hellcats since the first thing that I picture is this clown I work with. I find it a lot more satisfying to execute a build than walking in and buying a finished product. I already own 2012 Dodge Charger RT and am not impressed with it or the dealer experience at all.

My wife's charger has had so many recalls and is falling apart. It's a 14 with 56,000 miles and she is starting to mention that while she likes the style she thinks it's almost as shitty as her neon was back in the day. For that reason I wouldn't want anything from the dodge lineup. Don't get me wrong they're good looking rides and this demon is a wicked machine. 3300 people will be smiling when they own one. Half will probably be tucked away in a warehouse for car collectors.

Les, I think you're right about the knuckleheads because of their inexperience factor. In my boating experience I was launching my boat and 2 teeny bopper boys pull up in a massive lifted brand new f350 and decked out boat. Rig and boat must have been 400k. They looked like they couldn't have been anymore than 13 even though they were probably 16 or 17. They damn near killed half of us out there launching as this particular boat ramp because tide changes cause your boat to walk sideways if you're not against the dock wall. If you're on the other side the strong current will push you. They fired up triple verado 350's and proceeded to almost chop all of us and our boats up.

I can only imagine daddy's money putting a few knuckleheads in a beast such as the demon just for them to act foolish launching from a red light in traffic with a factory mid 9 second car. I personally have never owned a 9 second car. The fastest I had was a heavily modified GN that ran high 10's low 11's. It felt ridiculously slow compared to the one time I went for a ride with a close friend of mine in his 9 second TSM car on the street.

[FastCarFanBoy]

Originally Posted by LesBaer

Well, the only downside to this thing is it's already banned from NHRA drag strips since no roll cage, only 3000 being made in year 1 (consider them already gone), and it's still a POS Dodge, warranty or not. No one's getting this car for MSRP at least for the next 2 years. It's almost like they factored in dealer premiums with that price based on what the Hellcat did. I guess it's time to start saving for that Proline motor.

Seriously though, no one should be able to walk into a dealer and buy this car, then show up at the strip without any experience...but it will happen and people will crash. The entire car is a PR stunt by a car company that's hanging on for its life. They can't sustain themselves on a low volume, halo car and have been trying for the past 2 years to be bought out.

you dont get invited to many parties , do you?

[DeliveryMan]

It is almost as if the Dodge division is blowing out what little bit they have left before it goes defunct. This is smoke & mirrors for the division as a whole.

Really if you look at the Dodge line up all the cars are disappearing OR are on an ancient platform.

DODGE DART (compact car) gone as of 2016
DODGE AVENGER (midsize) gone as of 2014
CHALLENGER & CHARGER ( built on the same platform since 2005...with the Challenger arriving Model Yodel Year '09)
VIPER (sport car) gone as of 2017

Then jump over to the Chrysler division...the line up consists of 2 models!
The 300 and the Pacifica. (the 200 disappears after model year 2017)

Making the Demon almost seems like it might be on the DODGE Division's bucket list.
FCA is letting these divisions wither away.

Don't confuse my post as I do not want to see Dodge disappear and I like the idea of a car like the Demon but something is up.

FCA has already split the trucks into the RAM division.
Perhaps so they can sell RAM and Jeep....Chrysler is dead and Dodge has no new platform for the Charger and Challenger. the new generations were to be out for 2018, now it's been pushed to 2021....if it even happens.