[pavlos1]

hello to all .i feel the continentals should be there in the conversation.

[Akura]

Originally Posted by CW3SF

PS4S is a street tire. SC3R is a track tire. That’s a different conversation.

Lot of people is talking about PS4S as a replacement for street use, my message is for these people.

I know the differences about PS4S/V107 and SC3R, so I do not equate them. Read better and slowly before shooting needlessly.

[Stephen12ZL1]

SC3R tires are amazing on track but have terrible street manners. They are loud, rough, throw rocks, tram line on grooved pavement, and hydroplane easily. Let's not forget cold temperature sensitive and abysmal compliance. Maybe you guys in the desert southwest can enjoy them on the street. Most here will decide after street driving with a MPS4S or Continental Extreme Contact these tires are much more appropriate and give you what you need for 99.5% of street diving situations. After I finish a track weekend and drive a brief jaunt on the 3Rs, I can't wait to swap to the Continentals and truly enjoy street diving.

[CW3SF]

Originally Posted by Akura

Lot of people is talking about PS4S as a replacement for street use, my message is for these people.

I know the differences about PS4S/V107 and SC3R, so I do not equate them. Read better and slowly before shooting needlessly.

This thread discussion is about track tires. I’m not the one who needs to read better.

[Akura]

Originally Posted by Checkmate1

Once warmed up - there is no equal to the GY3R on a backroad or on track.

Even the much lauded PS4S falls off at the limit of adhesion on a backroad.

Originally Posted by RamAir02

IMO, the SC3R should be relegated for track use in most cases. This isn't because it is a poor street tire (when warm), but rather due to the life and cost. The PS4S is a better financial decision on a street car. Yes, you will sacrifice a bit of grip, but you'll get a lot more life out of them. And I'm not sure you'll notice *too much* of a difference on the street with a PS4S vs. SC3R since you're not (or shouldn't be) pushing to the grip limit on the street. If money is no object and the car is never driven in cold weather or rain, then SC3R is the way to go. Otherwise, I'd say PS4S is the better option.

I don't drive my car much on the street, but I do drive to track events. I have a second set of wheels with PS4S mounted for the trips to the track and occasional street driving. I have the SC3R mounted to the OE wheels which I swap onto the car at the track.

Originally Posted by Jofu

True, of course. Still, I would argue that if being financially wise was my end goal, then I probably would not have purchased a $70k toy sports car to start with

I might give the PS4S a try at some point, but I'll stick to SC3R this time around

Geoff

Originally Posted by SFV1LE

In four years and 15k miles of owning and mostly tracking my ZLE, I've have used up 7-8 sets of SC3R and many other sets of of Pirelli DH and some Hoosiers.

IMO SC3R is the best overall DOT circuit track tire in the world for advanced drivers, and many Porsche, McLaren, GT350 and Corvette owners seem to agree. That being said, SC3R is a very bad street tire and PS4S beats it hands down.

You should not be using and wasting SC3Rs on the street, better and safer street (heat level) performance from several tires I could list, no matter how fast you think you're driving in canyons or wherever you drive on street.

SC3R rubber is too hard at normal/street ambient temps and PSC2, R888R, RE71R, Hoosier etc are much softer at these temps (even Pirelli DH). But after 1 hot lap I'd take the SC3R over all of these, the Pirelli DH is the closest IMO I run these scrubs on 18s.

Originally Posted by RamAir02

Valid point!

I go through consumables for the track so quickly that, in my mind, SC3Rs are rubber gold and I'm sacrificing laps by running them on the street.

Originally Posted by Grimlock212

The other advantage to the PS4S will be improved ride quality. I was really surprised when I switched to the PS4S on my Focus RS, they ride quality was *much* improved. I definitely plan to use them on my ZL1 once I get it. They are the best street tire I’ve ever used.

Originally Posted by d15b7

I have the Azenias 660s on my ZLE (on BC Forged 19s) for street use. The OEM wheels and tires are safely stored in my basement. The 660s are SO much better for Street use (don’t get enough heat into the Goodyears driving them on the street to really work great) compared to the 660s. They work with minimal heat and grip is real good. Tram lining is less too. Even the ride is a tiny bit better. I really like them.

Originally Posted by ponyboy96

Agree with many of the posters. Running SC3Rs on the street is such a waste. You would really have to be hammering the twisties (way harder than you think you’re going) for them to get up to temp and be useful. PS4S are a much better choice. I find my ps4s to be a better all around tire on the street, it hooks better and handles better. That being said, on track (meaning a road course), you aren’t beating a SC3R unless you’re running a full slick.

Originally Posted by Stephen12ZL1

SC3R tires are amazing on track but have terrible street manners. They are loud, rough, throw rocks, tram line on grooved pavement, and hydroplane easily. Let's not forget cold temperature sensitive and abysmal compliance. Maybe you guys in the desert southwest can enjoy them on the street. Most here will decide after street driving with a MPS4S or Continental Extreme Contact these tires are much more appropriate and give you what you need for 99.5% of street diving situations. After I finish a track weekend and drive a brief jaunt on the 3Rs, I can't wait to swap to the Continentals and truly enjoy street diving.

Originally Posted by CW3SF

This thread discussion is about track tires. I’m not the one who needs to read better.

Stop embarrassing yourself, crybaby.

[CW3SF]

Originally Posted by Akura

Stop embarrassing yourself, crybaby.

Yeah Ok so maybe I didn’t read all that.

I totally missed that part of the thread. You are right. I own it.

Carry on.

[Booher]

From my experience with 2 sets of ps4,s they are great around corners and turns but are absolutely terrible for launching on the street or the track. Definitely not made to drag race with.

[ZLRob]

Originally Posted by pavlos1

hello to all .i feel the continentals should be there in the conversation.

My Conti's have been surprisingly good. On warmer days I've pulled about .92G's out of them before breaking traction on turns on my non ZLE, which is not too bad at all for a street tire.

I may actually wind up just shooting for them over the PS4's all over again considering their cheaper cost in price.

[Akura]

Originally Posted by CW3SF

Yeah Ok so maybe I didn’t read all that.

I totally missed that part of the thread. You are right. I own it.

Carry on.

Don’t worry, cleared up