[Z OH 6]

Originally Posted by CW3SF

I read what you said and I disagree. I didn’t throw anything away. I’ll get to use this ported blower for as long as I want and I could easily sell it for more than $2k.

I dont agree that you can sell it for much more than $2k. 1.7L blowers just aren't in high demand.

[CW3SF]

Originally Posted by Z OH 6

I dont agree that you can sell it for much more than $2k. 1.7L blowers just aren't in high demand.

I’m not really worried about it either way. My build isn’t about the money for me.

[JSH]

Originally Posted by KingLT1

What do the Super Stock cars run there? Super Stock is a NA class. The Factory Stock class is what Copo's and other Supercharged cars run in.

I confess it's been 11 years since I raced NHRA, so I wouldn't want to bet on class specs, but a former SS national champ is a friend and I'll ask him. But the whole issue is academic. Why does it require an FBI investigation into a simple f****** topic on a sportsman's car site, a site jammed with haters? WTF

The thread is intended to be lighthearted musing about changing to a 2650 or not. That's it. But a few haters always try to take it over.

[KingLT1]

Originally Posted by JSH

I confess it's been 11 years since I raced NHRA, so I wouldn't want to bet on class specs, but a former SS national champ is a friend and I'll ask him. But the whole issue is academic. Why does it require an FBI investigation into a simple f****** topic on a sportsman's car site, a site jammed with haters? WTF

The thread is intended to be lighthearted musing about changing to a 2650 or not. That's it. But a few haters always try to take it over.

I am not a hater. I have exchanged PM's with you several times offering advice that you aske me for.

Either way you are compensating with all of this correction factor stuff. You are using a NA correction factor on a Supercharged car. Myself and others mentioned it to you in another thread and you ignored it. Only reason why I brought it up. When you post a time all you simply need to do is post DA with it. So you ran 10.68 @ 8000da. Nobody wants to read your special JSH math correction formula.

I think you have other issues to sort before worrying about more power.

[KingLT1]

And I am not saying your car is slow. The track you run at is a slow track as I mentioned in the other thread.

I would worry about dialing in your current setup more before adding more power. You have only made 5-6 runs? Swapping to a 2650 is not a guarantee that you will run quicker at the track.

[CW3SF]

Originally Posted by KingLT1

And I am not saying your car is slow. The track you run at is a slow track as I mentioned in the other thread.

I would worry about dialing in your current setup more before adding more power. You have only made 5-6 runs? Swapping to a 2650 is not a guarantee that you will run quicker at the track.

Careful, you just might send the 2650 cheerleading section into a meltdown with that comment.

[KamZL1]

Originally Posted by CW3SF

Careful, you just might send the 2650 cheerleading section into a meltdown with that comment.

No, why even waste time with 1.7, if you're gonna mod, you might as well go all the way and do it RIGHT. 2650 IS THE ONLY RIGHT ANSWER. You must really like heat if you don't go 2650. An inefficient little heat pump is all that is. why waste your money when you could have just jumped off of the cliff and spent 20k + for a FULL BUILD. Never worth upgrading 1.7, just silly and lazy. Do it RIGHT the first time or not at all! LOL

[EDFHOBBIES]

Originally Posted by CW3SF

I see this argument a lot and it makes no sense. Supporting mods for the 1.7L also apply to the 2650. Money spent on supporting mods do not get subtracted from the cost of the 2650. It’s $2k for 1.7L porting vs $7k for 2650. And the ported 1.7L can be sold for $2k. It does not equal money wasted. There is value in the enjoyment of running the ported 1.7L for however long one enjoys it.

You didn't factor in the cooling of the blower.

AVG $600 heat exchangers $379 to $899.00
AVG $1200 Extra capacity tank bumper, fender or trunk $600 to $1800
Maybe FI chiller $1,900 (recommended 2.5 - 3 gallon tank w FI chiller)
kong porting shipping $2,000
103TB $650
DSX flex kit to run e40 to e50 $400
Meth Kit $1000
Headers- Wash you need on both setups
Cam- Wash you need on both setups
Fueling- Wash you need on both setups
Heads- Wash you need on both setups
CAI- Wash you need on both setups

Personally I believe You can make more with an oem TB on a 2650 vs a ported 1.7 having a 103mm TB would you do this of course not but money factor argument sake lets see the cost difference.

1.7L route:

2K cooling mods (fi chiller & reservoir or Exchangers and Reservoir)
2k Porting the 1.7L and pulley's
650 TB
DSX Flex kitor Meth $400/$1000 won't add to total just for grins)

$4650.00

$2650 Route:

Magnusson 7k
- 1.7L Sale 2k

$5000.00


$350.00 its a no brainer (based on 850 to rwhp) the Magnusson will do it on all 93 octane Once you factor DSX kit or Meth injection your spending more money!

[JSH]

Originally Posted by KingLT1

I am not a hater.

You are using a NA correction factor on a Supercharged car. power.

I agree, you're not a hater. Others here are.

You're wrong. I'm using the SS correction factor of .9406, which applies to supercharged cars running factory superchargers such as the 1.7, and the 2650. A $300m Cobalt SS (race car) running a custom built (Stanfield) COPO engine with a built 2650 on top runs (various) SS classes ... and I get the same correction that it does --- .9406, which I use here simply as a benchmark.

This car will run 9.90s at some track like Bay Town or No Problem in its current build ... eventually.

[JSH]

BlaqWhole, let's make a bet! OK?

[radz28]

Originally Posted by CW3SF

Careful, you just might send the 2650 cheerleading section into a meltdown with that comment.

jk

It seems to me that all of this depends on the journey you want to go on. As already stated: if you want to play with the 1740 because you want to, do it! There are good points to be made on both sides. If you know you're going to end up trying to make 1000, and don't want to waste time, then maybe a 2650 is for you. But if you like to smell the roses along the way, why not stay with the 1740? If you run enough cooling (e.g. E' or meth, or both), then it doesn't seem like it should matter too much. If the possible loss of money or time doesn't matter, who cares? Go with what you like.

[clg82]

Originally Posted by radz28

jk

Since the topic has substantially changed course from it's original, why all the hate for the 2650? If you can't afford the upgrade, than why hate on the ones that can?

[radz28]

Please keep comments on topic. I'm sorry to those who were, but were replying to quoted bickering. If you can't help yourself from being unhelpful, please don't comment. Thanks to those trying to help.

[CW3SF]

Originally Posted by radz28

jk

It seems to me that all of this depends on the journey you want to go on. As already stated: if you want to play with the 1740 because you want to, do it! There are good points to be made on both sides. If you know you're going to end up trying to make 1000, and don't want to waste time, then maybe a 2650 is for you. But if you like to smell the roses along the way, why not stay with the 1740? If you run enough cooling (e.g. E' or meth, or both), then it doesn't seem like it should matter too much. If the possible loss of money or time doesn't matter, who cares? Go with what you like.

You hit the nail right on the head Brother. I’m doing what I’m doing because I want to, and because I’m enjoying it. OTOH I love the Kong 2650 that JSH posted and I may decide to get one when I’m done playing with the 1.7L. Or I may not.

But anyone who tries to tell me I’m doing it wrong will get an argument every time. I know exactly what I’m doing and I’ve said over and over and over….it’s not about the money. It’s about the journey.