[SS_Don]

So if more people switch to E85 it means that there will be less demand for gasoline which should lower the price. As the demand for E85 increases so will the price. At some point the two prices will meet and everything will balance out and their will be harmony in the universe. ;-)

Just sayin’


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[laynlo15]

When I first converted my C7 in early 2020 it was still pretty cheap but corn went up later in 2020 and the prices rose. Corn prices have been up since then so E85 has taken the hit also. It is still a great value for our cars in my opinion. Give me some corn.

[arpad_m]

Originally Posted by SS_Don

So if more people switch to E85 it means that there will be less demand for gasoline which should lower the price. As the demand for E85 increases so will the price. At some point the two prices will meet and everything will balance out and their will be harmony in the universe. ;-)

Just sayin’

The number of cars/trucks that use E85 is negligible, the only statistic I could find put them at 5%, so there is probably little cross-elasticity between E85 and gas prices.

[Zr8000]

Originally Posted by KingLT1

Either way you want to slice it is fine by me...but the point was E doesn't cost a lot more to run vs 93.

It will take 50,000 miles to brake even using your numbers. Unless you are doing it for more power or keeping the car a long time it’s not really worth the cost/effort to convert one over.

[Zr8000]

Originally Posted by SS_Don

So if more people switch to E85 it means that there will be less demand for gasoline which should lower the price. As the demand for E85 increases so will the price. At some point the two prices will meet and everything will balance out and their will be harmony in the universe. ;-)

Just sayin’


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Farm input prices have gone up 150% this year compared to 2021. E85 prices will follow. At the end of the day there isn’t going to be much savings vs gas. The same thing happened in 08. Unless you are using it for performance adders it’s not really worth the time.

[laynlo15]

Originally Posted by Zr8000

Farm input prices have gone up 150% this year compared to 2021. E85 prices will follow. At the end of the day there isn’t going to be much savings vs gas. The same thing happened in 08. Unless you are using it for performance adders it’s not really worth the time.

I agree with that but if you want the extra power its worth it and works well with additional mods.

[s346k]

it is my experience and practice both, that no one runs ethanol for any form of financial gain. i think arguing either way on this topic is pretty silly. i use ethanol because the car simply runs better on it. the only disadvantage to ethanol is the simple fact that more of it is required to maintain an ideal afr. the car makes more hp & tq both, and is noticeably snappier on ethanol. my car made ~20 hp/30 tq more vs 93. nothing earth shattering but i can tell a difference in driving the car as to what fuel it's on. not to mention catless 93 octane stinks.

i didn't buy a v8 camaro for any reason other than to floor it and have fun. ethanol is a superior fuel by every performance standard. this car is a priority and it will take a lot more than $8-10-12 per gallon fuel to make me ever think twice about not driving it or even using the fuel i want. it's obviously not my dd, to which ill argue endlessly that the camaro sucks at anyway. another topic altogether.

[3.8TransAM]

20% is about where you're looking for on the spread. If it's not there it's not worth it. Now u could build a straight E85 engine to negate most of that, but not all.

[laynlo15]

Originally Posted by s346k

it is my experience and practice both, that no one runs ethanol for any form of financial gain. i think arguing either way on this topic is pretty silly. i use ethanol because the car simply runs better on it. the only disadvantage to ethanol is the simple fact that more of it is required to maintain an ideal afr. the car makes more hp & tq both, and is noticeably snappier on ethanol. my car made ~20 hp/30 tq more vs 93. nothing earth shattering but i can tell a difference in driving the car as to what fuel it's on. not to mention catless 93 octane stinks.

i didn't buy a v8 camaro for any reason other than to floor it and have fun. ethanol is a superior fuel by every performance standard. this car is a priority and it will take a lot more than $8-10-12 per gallon fuel to make me ever think twice about not driving it or even using the fuel i want. it's obviously not my dd, to which ill argue endlessly that the camaro sucks at anyway. another topic altogether.

Absolutely

[KingLT1]

Just to clarify I wasn't advocating that anybody should run E to save money. I provided a generic cost of operation to show the OP that it doesn't cost really any more or less money to run vs pump 93. There has been a stigma ongoing with this topic for years now where it's "assumed" e85 costs a lot more to run because of the fuel mileage loss which isn't true and all I was trying to point out.

Either way I didn't buy a Camaro and put a Supercharger on it because I was worried about fuel mileage. I run E because it's essentially the cheapest high octane fuel solution that is readily available. E85 is 110 octane and cost is currently @ 4.00 a gallon...It burns clean, smells good, and these engines love it NA or FI. In comparison VP 110 race fuel is 15.00 a gallon.

So yea I agree it doesn't really make much sense to put a flex sensor on your leased daily driver. However the OP plans on installing a supercharger and headers. So imo it definitely makes sense to install a flex sensor and run some E or a blend of.

[laynlo15]

Originally Posted by KingLT1

Just to clarify I wasn't advocating that anybody should run E to save money. I provided a generic cost of operation to show the OP that it doesn't cost really any more or less money to run vs pump 93. There has been a stigma ongoing with this topic for years now where it's "assumed" e85 costs a lot more to run because of the fuel mileage loss which isn't true and all I was trying to point out.

Either way I didn't buy a Camaro and put a Supercharger on it because I was worried about fuel mileage. I run E because it's essentially the cheapest high octane fuel solution that is readily available. E85 is 110 octane and cost is currently @ 4.00 a gallon...It burns clean, smells good, and these engines love it NA or FI. In comparison VP 110 race fuel is 15.00 a gallon.

So yea I agree it doesn't really make much sense to put a flex sensor on your leased daily driver. However the OP plans on installing a supercharger and headers. So imo it definitely makes sense to install a flex sensor and run some E or a blend of.

Totally agree and I would have loved to run E85 in my 16 SS Camaro when it was making big power, however the cost at the time to upgrade the fuel system was not what I wanted to do. I was spending 1100.00 each year on race fuel (MS109) and not driving my car on the street. I was one of those who said you don't need Port Injection if you wanted to run race fuel like I did but it limited my street driving of having to go back and forth between 93 and race fuel since I was racing a 2 to 3 times a month which basically left my Camaro sitting on the 4 post lift between races. Wish Mike would have had his PI out at that time because I could have put that system in my budget. That's why after 4 years my Camaro only had 13,000 miles on it but had over 280 passes down the track and probably 100 pulls on the dyno. What a loss on my part.

[dmcmahan60]

Said what the hell and ordered a kit from Wildhammer Motorsports for $235 shipped. I plan on modifying my car in a few years anyway, so what could it hurt. have a good day

[FlukeSS]

Originally Posted by dmcmahan60

Said what the hell and ordered a kit from Wildhammer Motorsports for $235 shipped. I plan on modifying my car in a few years anyway, so what could it hurt. have a good day

[laynlo15]

We just got off the dyno with mine yesterday. I didn't do a base line but we made 431/442 on E57. I'm sure it would have made 395 to 410 base but really doesn't matter to me.