[kropscamaro16]

Originally Posted by DaveC113

I think plates are a good idea, a local CAM-C guy runs 3.2f 2.5r, he's a GM master tech and nat'l champ driver. I'll get plates but not sure I can go more than 1.5r w/o toe links, we'll see... Also, I'm running 2.3/1.5 and need more camber for even wear both front and rear, even with a lot of road driving... but a lot of that driving is on curvy mt roads.

yea i just added the spl toe rods last weekend before the track day but left the rear at -1.5 for now



only issue is i dont have stock struts so not sure if the camber plates will work without mods to them

[Msquared]

Aragorn, for your driving scenarios, I don't think the stock GY SC3 has any advantages for you. They certainly are fast on track and almost as fast as the best 200tw tires for autocross, but they pose real compromises for street driving, as others have outlined. I would not go with an all-season for your uses. I agree with those who think you'd be better off with the "max performance summer" category of tires. Without question, the two best in that category are the Michelin PS 4S (which, to clarify, is not an all-season tire at all) and the Continental ExtremeContact Sport. They are both great for dry grip and wet grip, work well in any temps above freezing, and will be quieter and last longer than the GY SC3. In terms of outright performance, the Michelin has a teeny (and I mean really teeny) advantage over the Conti, but the Conti is about $250 cheaper for a set of four and is so close in both wet and dry performance as to be indistinguishable without a controlled test (and maybe even then, also). If you work out a deal with the forum member for his set of Michelins, that's great. If not, I'd say get the Contis and don't look back.

[funked1]

They are pretty damn good tires. I don't know that there is a tire that is as fast on the track or autocross that also holds up for daily driving 365 days a year.

[kropscamaro16]

Originally Posted by funked1

They are pretty damn good tires. I don't know that there is a tire that is as fast on the track or autocross that also holds up for daily driving 365 days a year.

lol daily driving? whats that btw we live in cali so its a lil different for us!

[Wyzz Kydd]

Originally Posted by Aragorn

PS4S are expensive, wow!
Never really thought about all seasons for the desert, but they seem much more affordable. Discount tire has Bridgestone potenza for $242 w/ 50k mile warranty.
Got some some making to do.
Thanks everyone.

I put a set of those on back in April/May. You probably already know you'll have to go with 295s up front, which are working fine for me. I noticed they're quieter, and definitely better in the wet. I haven't driven them in the cold yet, but anticipate they'll do fine then too.

I do notice a bit more 'wiggle' in the rear when making aggressive lane changes.

The biggest problem I've had happened a couple of weeks ago. I made a quick left hand turn on slightly uneven pavement and within a few minutes got a low pressure warning on the driver side rear. It went flat pretty quickly. The repair kit was unable to re-inflate the tire, so I had to have it put on a flat bed and taken to the local Chevy dealership. They were unable to find anything wrong with the tire and speculated that the bead wasn't correctly set when the tires were put on and it popped off the rim when I made that corner. I had it installed at my local dealership and I do remember the tech mentioning he had a hard time getting the tires on the rims.

The same tire is still on and no problems since then.

[funked1]

Originally Posted by kropscamaro16

lol daily driving? whats that btw we live in cali so its a lil different for us!

Still, we can have a pretty heavy rainy season, and temps in the 30's, and the tires are just fine. If you live in an area that gets colder you would want some all-seasons.
I commute about 60 miles a day on them, do track days, autocross a lot, and they hold up.

[JSH]

Originally Posted by Msquared

Michelin PS 4S (which, to clarify, is not an all-season tire at all)

Although technically it's not classified as an all-season tire, my experience with the 4S since it hit the market has been that (and I don't commute to work) it can be driven hard in dry and wet conditions but ice should be avoided.

I've drivin it many times in 20-30F temps on sunny days in Denver and other than being more slippery than normal, I've encountered no issues.

So, I do see it as an all-season tire but with caveats.

[kropscamaro16]

Originally Posted by funked1

Still, we can have a pretty heavy rainy season, and temps in the 30's, and the tires are just fine. If you live in an area that gets colder you would want some all-seasons.
I commute about 60 miles a day on them, do track days, autocross a lot, and they hold up.

yea i just got them on a few weeks ago and it said it was suppose to rain at the track all weekend so i was a bit hesitant had a wet drive otw to the track but just sprinkled a bit during the day so no problems but started pouring around 4pm and i ended up leaving early

[Msquared]

Originally Posted by JSH

Although technically it's not classified as an all-season tire, my experience with the 4S since it hit the market has been that (and I don't commute to work) it can be driven hard in dry and wet conditions but ice should be avoided.

I've drivin it many times in 20-30F temps on sunny days in Denver and other than being more slippery than normal, I've encountered no issues.

So, I do see it as an all-season tire but with caveats.

Dry and wet are both great. The problem is that in temps below freezing you risk cracking the tread compound as it gets brittle. At that point, you're going to need a new tire. I do agree that if you drive them in the cold you won't automatically slide off a cliffside road and have your car explode in an accident that would make CHiPs proud (because a lot of people think that's the case...really). It's just that you risk damage not covered by the warranty. You may get away with it, and sun would certainly help because it will raise the road surface temps quite a bit. Everybody can make their own call on this.

[TrackClub]

Originally Posted by kropscamaro16

i just got some put on my 1ss and went to the track yesterday dropped 6 seconds off from my last time out same track with michelin ps4s so i will be sticking with em fora while!

SIX seconds?! You ran at the Ring?!

[kropscamaro16]

Originally Posted by TrackClub

SIX seconds?! You ran at the Ring?!

na fontana aka autoclub speeday went last month in 100 degree weather on ps4s i did a 1:59



added spl toerods and goodyear supercar3 and it was 50 degree cooler and i did a 1:53 but most of day was 1:55 - 1:56

[TrackClub]

Originally Posted by kropscamaro16

na fontana aka autoclub speeday went last month in 100 degree weather on ps4s i did a 1:59



added spl toerods and goodyear supercar3 and it was 50 degree cooler and i did a 1:53 but most of day was 1:55 - 1:56

Got ya! Id give the ambient the most credit, then the tires and that fast lap - that - plus a driver mod

[kropscamaro16]

haha yup i agree just trying to figure out what i want to spend my next bonus on


camber plates new brake pads rear solid bushing kit hmm lol



still want a set of recaro 1le/zl1 seats but can never find a set local to me!

[TrackClub]

Originally Posted by kropscamaro16

haha yup i agree just trying to figure out what i want to spend my next bonus on


camber plates new brake pads rear solid bushing kit hmm lol



still want a set of recaro 1le/zl1 seats but can never find a set local to me!

Recaros are very sweet: pay for shipping, or just trade her for an SS 1LE