[kropscamaro16]

i have the afe power one and i love it!

also if your worried about the intake affecting warranty dont modify your car lol

[Roto-fab 1]

Originally Posted by TSloper

I'm not pitching Rotofab based on some personal emotional preference. It is the only intake out there, that through real world end user logging, we know does not skew the MAF output. CAI and Mishimoto both skew the MAF readings which will cause you headaches if you pursue further bolt on modifications and do not tune for the situation.

If you feel compelled to burn new ground it's your choice but just looking at the photos of the K&N it is already inferior.

Rotofab has been out for a while. It sounds like the website needs an update.

Tsloper speaks truth. Many competing CAIs advertise a "no tune" system. But the majority of them don't perform to very high standards. The Roto-fab system has been tested by many knowledgeable tuners already, and continues to out-perform the competition.

Please let me know if I can assist further,
Michael

[Danny80027]

sorry guy's .....my intention was not a presidential debate on which CIA is the better candidate. I was merely data minding on the warranty subject and it evolved, so I became curious as to finding some unbiased comparison and results. forgive me for asking, didn't mean to tread on anyone's ego's and supporting a specific make. I admit, I'm a freshman here as a new owner and inspired to make some minor mods for fun. I got my law degree, paid off my students loans and my wages now allow me to make my SS sound ...ah, what's that word....oh yea....BAD ASS ! Cheers

[Fast2ss]

I just put on my new Canaan cold air intake and I like it a lot I got it from Summit racing in Akron Ohio I drove up and picked it up

[Sales @ CAI Inc]

Originally Posted by Roto-fab 1

Tsloper speaks truth. Many competing CAIs advertise a "no tune" system. But the majority of them don't perform to very high standards. The Roto-fab system has been tested by many knowledgeable tuners already, and continues to out-perform the competition.

Please let me know if I can assist further,
Michael

What real testing have you done (other than yours and Tslopers posts)? Do you even know what goes into OEM requirements and testing? Do you guys have real data, do you even know what these tests are called? What tests have you done? What are these tests called by the OEM's and what tests do they run and what are their guidelines?

Cold Air Inductions, Inc DOES KNOW what these test are and we perform them plus WE meet OEM REQUIREMENTS. So for you to say "The Roto-fab system has been tested by many knowledgeable tuners already, and continues to out-perform the competition" IS ABSOLUTELY FALSE AND FABRICATED. Unlike you, we have not had to purchase the competitions systems, to do our testing. We are now and will continue to be the leader in the aftermarket CAMARO cold air induction systems. #1 in quality, look and performance.

[Sales @ CAI Inc]

Originally Posted by TSloper

I'm not pitching Rotofab based on some personal emotional preference. It is the only intake out there, that through real world end user logging, we know does not skew the MAF output. CAI and Mishimoto both skew the MAF readings which will cause you headaches if you pursue further bolt on modifications and do not tune for the situation.

If you feel compelled to burn new ground it's your choice but just looking at the photos of the K&N it is already inferior.

Rotofab has been out for a while. It sounds like the website needs an update.

Tsloper, you have not liked our product and have attempted to made it look bad because we would NOT share our data with you and your friends at Roto-Fab.

We remember when you said Mishimoto would be good because they shared the data with you. At that point, you claimed theirs would be awesome and ours was not. Yet, you had never tested our touched our product. We know the competition used our system to figure out how to make theirs work and finally bring theirs to market. That's why it took them 3 moths longer than they expected (had to wait for ours).

I hope that everyone can see through your anger and realized that Cold Air Inductions, Inc. is still the PROVEN leader for Camaro cold air intake systems. When you advise potential customer to NOT buy our system, you are providing a disservice to them. If you are a fan of another manufacturer that's great, but to try to sway other Camaro enthusiast away from our quality brand, well that's just sad.

Bottom line, we work with OEMS, we are required to complete the upmost testing and WE are truly qualified to do more thorough testing than you and your friends will ever know. Thanks!

[TSloper]

Nothing in my post you referenced has anything to do with your response to it. Your product as well as the Mishimoto unit skews the MAF. The Rotofab does not.

You have had PLENTY of time to share the actual data about your product but you still have not. I paid for my Rotofab unit and Rotofab agreed that if I wasn't satisfied with it they would take it back with no questions asked. I received it and guess what... they took the time to ensure he MAF did not get skewed. It will not cause grief for people adding other bolt on mods.

I've seen logs for both CAI and Mishimoto. They both F up the MAF readings and rely on fuel trims to compensate. I have a member on here asking to send their Mishimoto unit to me to calibrate the MAF transfer function for them. I have no problem doing that. Why can't you guys be straight up about the correction your unit needs to make it right?

No one needs your data to provide a better competing product. That better product exists and is manufactured by Rotofab.

You working with OEMs sounds amazing. A real credibility booster for sure. But the reality is your product is a silicone tube and a filter. With all of your OEM relationships why couldn't you work the MAF tube to keep the calibration accurate? Hell why didn't you have the whistle corrected before you even launched? Apparently all of those OEM qualifications let that one slip by. Good work!

[AndyUK]

Hi guys, i like the look of the Cai cai, but do you have any links to independent testing isolating your intake (with and without a tune)?

We've seen quite a few end users post results using competing products but not many with yours.

"Ours is the best" is pretty generic marketing speak and to be expected. My opinion is only my own but i prefer to see vendors talking in terms of provable gains on their own product and not getting in to squabbles with forum members.

Tim is pretty prolific in terms of trying to help the community, even putting his own effort and funds in to getting flex fuel working where vendors said it was a no go on the 6th gen.

As an independent observer, I'm not sure you're going to gain much traction with these kinds of posts. It comes across as pretty unproffessional.

[63falcondude]

Originally Posted by AndyUK

As an independent observer, I'm not sure you're going to gain much traction with these kinds of posts. It comes across and pretty unproffessional.

I agree.

[BowtieRocket]

Well I know Phastek mentioned in their web broadcast that they think both units are great and make the same power gains in their testing experience. I don't see that either one is a "clear" winner over the other...

[Sales @ CAI Inc]

Originally Posted by TSloper

Nothing in my post you referenced has anything to do with your response to it. Your product as well as the Mishimoto unit skews the MAF. The Rotofab does not.

You have had PLENTY of time to share the actual data about your product but you still have not. I paid for my Rotofab unit and Rotofab agreed that if I wasn't satisfied with it they would take it back with no questions asked. I received it and guess what... they took the time to ensure he MAF did not get skewed. It will not cause grief for people adding other bolt on mods.

I've seen logs for both CAI and Mishimoto. They both F up the MAF readings and rely on fuel trims to compensate. I have a member on here asking to send their Mishimoto unit to me to calibrate the MAF transfer function for them. I have no problem doing that. Why can't you guys be straight up about the correction your unit needs to make it right?

No one needs your data to provide a better competing product. That better product exists and is manufactured by Rotofab.

You working with OEMs sounds amazing. A real credibility booster for sure. But the reality is your product is a silicone tube and a filter. With all of your OEM relationships why couldn't you work the MAF tube to keep the calibration accurate? Hell why didn't you have the whistle corrected before you even launched? Apparently all of those OEM qualifications let that one slip by. Good work!

Tim, we also would have had allowed you to return our system, if you were not happy with it (we take care of our customers). However, you never offered to purchase our system. We are fine with the fact that you like the Roto-Fab system and want to promote it. We just believe it is unfair for you to bash other manufactures and forum sponsors along the way. You have never purchased or personally tested these systems. Actually, bashing them is not productive to the forum no matter what.

You claim our system skews the MAF, but YOU have never purchased or personally tested our system, and you claim there has never been any independent tests done. So, how can you possibly make your claims about our product and why are you going out of your way to do so?. How does it skew the MAF and by what percentages? Your claims are unfounded and malicious. We understand that you have knowledge and have some friends on this forum (that's great), but we believe you are falsely attacking manufactures based on your personal bias. We have sold over a thousand of the 6th Gen systems and our customers are very happy!!!

Our system is made of aluminum NOT plastic. Once again, you provided another false statement. Why are you doing this? We know you were infuriated that we would not share all our R&D during the process but we are a manufacturer that was in a competitive market to be first to market. We can now see why you needed that data back then and boy were you angry.

The whistle noise was impacted by about 6% of OEM vehicles that had a particular intake manifold casting, to blame us for that is really sad. We tested on several vehicles, they were all in the 94% of vehicles that did NOT whistle, so how could we have possible known? Also, when we found out there was a problem we quickly developed and manufactured a part that eliminated the whistle, even though we did not cause the whistle, so that our customers were happy. FYI, We did NOT charge them for the part or for shipping costs.

We apologize if some people think we are being unprofessional but when you spend so much time and so many resources to bring a quality aftermarket product to the marketplace, and have a competitor and their friend falsely and continually degrade your product, yes, sometimes we have to respond and fight back.

There are multiple cold air intake systems to chose from out there, some will like the Cold Air, Inductions, Inc and some will prefer the Roto-Fab and that's great. The manufacturers and their friends should not be falsely and maliciously attack each other though. We just needed to set the record straight so that end users can make their decision based on the facts not personal reasons of another member.

Thank you to all of our supporters and fellow forum members. We apologize to all of you for the lengthy response, but sometimes we too have to say enough is enough. Thanks again.

[SSNYSTR]

I didn't see anyone answer the question the OP originally asked...an aftermarket part cannot void your warranty unless they have proof that the aftermarket part caused a problem.

Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act

https://www.sema.org/sema-enews/2011...ermarket-parts

[Sales @ CAI Inc]

Originally Posted by SSNYSTR

I didn't see anyone answer the question the OP originally asked...an aftermarket part cannot void your warranty unless they have proof that the aftermarket part caused a problem.

Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act

https://www.sema.org/sema-enews/2011...ermarket-parts

Lol. Great point. Thanks!

[Roto-fab 1]

Originally Posted by Sales @ CAI Inc

Tim, we also would have had allowed you to return our system, if you were not happy with it (we take care of our customers). However, you never offered to purchase our system. We are fine with the fact that you like the Roto-Fab system and want to promote it. We just believe it is unfair for you to bash other manufactures and forum sponsors along the way. You have never purchased or personally tested these systems. Actually, bashing them is not productive to the forum no matter what.

You claim our system skews the MAF, but YOU have never purchased or personally tested our system, and you claim there has never been any independent tests done. So, how can you possibly make your claims about our product and why are you going out of your way to do so?. How does it skew the MAF and by what percentages? Your claims are unfounded and malicious. We understand that you have knowledge and have some friends on this forum (that's great), but we believe you are falsely attacking manufactures based on your personal bias. We have sold over a thousand of the 6th Gen systems and our customers are very happy!!!

Our system is made of aluminum NOT plastic. Once again, you provided another false statement. Why are you doing this? We know you were infuriated that we would not share all our R&D during the process but we are a manufacturer that was in a competitive market to be first to market. We can now see why you needed that data back then and boy were you angry.

The whistle noise was impacted by about 6% of OEM vehicles that had a particular intake manifold casting, to blame us for that is really sad. We tested on several vehicles, they were all in the 94% of vehicles that did NOT whistle, so how could we have possible known? Also, when we found out there was a problem we quickly developed and manufactured a part that eliminated the whistle, even though we did not cause the whistle, so that our customers were happy. FYI, We did NOT charge them for the part or for shipping costs.

We apologize if some people think we are being unprofessional but when you spend so much time and so many resources to bring a quality aftermarket product to the marketplace, and have a competitor and their friend falsely and continually degrade your product, yes, sometimes we have to respond and fight back.

There are multiple cold air intake systems to chose from out there, some will like the Cold Air, Inductions, Inc and some will prefer the Roto-Fab and that's great. The manufacturers and their friends should not be falsely and maliciously attack each other though. We just needed to set the record straight so that end users can make their decision based on the facts not personal reasons of another member.

Thank you to all of our supporters and fellow forum members. We apologize to all of you for the lengthy response, but sometimes we too have to say enough is enough. Thanks again.

I can't speak to the K&N warranty, but I do feel the need to defend myself here.

I assume the above message is from Kyle,

You have accused us on many occasions of working with forum members and conspiring to trash your name. Over the course of time, I hope you understand that the forum members who favor the Roto-fab CAI have nothing to gain. They have received a great quality system, with outstanding customer service, and performance that they expect. This wonderful combination makes it a no-brainer to go tell the world about the Roto-fab system.

My dad built this company from nothing out of our barn in Indiana. So I take your comments very personally. This is also why I have a truly personal dedication to our product and our customers. We value our customers tremendously, but we do not pay them as you have suggested.

We have created the ideal CAI for the 2016 Camaro SS, and will continue to inform everyone as we see fit.

Thanks everyone for your interest and support!
Michael