[irmb]

Originally Posted by HyperBlue

Looking forward to hearing how this comes out, but you don't want tow. That's a ride back to the pits after something goes wrong.

You're adjusting camber and toe.

I did thunderhill 3 mile last Friday and yesterday with the new set up.

The car is SO much better. It's settled in corners - doesnt push and has a slight tail happyness to it that it didnt have before. Just slight, though.

I can't say how it would fair against a 2017 1LE - but I did some laps against a 2015 1LE and the guy couldnt keep up. Of course - no idea whether that's the car or the driver.

http://www.gotbluemilk.com/web161013/3/index.html

[HyperBlue]

Originally Posted by irmb

I did thunderhill 3 mile last Friday and yesterday with the new set up.

The car is SO much better. It's settled in corners - doesnt push and has a slight tail happyness to it that it didnt have before. Just slight, though.

That's good to hear. Your car looks great on track.

[jaymsu]

Originally Posted by Mountain

I completely agree with this. In addition, I wish GM had done the SS with a 20x9.0F/20X9.5 setup. The 8.5 front wheel width kinda sucks for tire setups. This car needs a little more front grip. A 255F/275(or 285)R would have been really nice. BUT, I get it. The LT comes with 20x8.5 all the way around and it's cheaper to use the 20x8.5 up front...

In respect to the tires being a limit. The last track day I did, I was in the 2nd from most experienced group (open point-to-pass all around the track), there were a bunch of C6 'Vettes and a S197 5.0L Mustang with Pirelli take off slicks (maybe they were Conti slicks...). My car was stock, apart from added front camber, RBF600 brake fluid and Hawk HP+ pads. I tried to keep up with the 'Vettes in the corners and just couldn't. The car seemed very capable of going there - very stable and emitted a sense of complete confidence; however the tires would just give up. I constantly had a battle with the Mustang. Guy was a good driver from what I could tell. The Camaro kept up with him fairly well in the corners, but any time I began to really creep close to him, the tires just started talking way too much and begin to let go. On the straights, that Mustang could not keep up with me. I had to let fully off the accelerator, completely, quite a few times so he could pass (it's just a track day and I'm not going to be one of those guys and try to fight a fight in the corners that I can't hold out - that's just annoying).

Car needs proper tires. The Goodyears, on a road course are really not bad for a factory offering, but in autocross just DO NOT get hot enough to let the car do what it can. I'll be doing Conti ExtremeContact Sports (DW replacement) for a DD tire, trying the Nexan N FERA SUR4 in my regional autocrossing and Bridgestone RE71R's for Nationals.

I run 255/285 RS3s on stock wheels - I was running in the same group as you were in and were able to keep up with most of those Vettes, except one guy on scrubs. (and one GT3... man,,, that guy was fast...) Yeah tires are the easiest way to cheat....

RE71R now has 255/40/20 & 285/35/20, so that may give us better chance to keep up with those other cars. (not that GT3 guy though....)

[jaymsu]

To OP:
I honestly think SS should get much closer to 1LE time (assuming same driver) with just wheels and tires upgrade - using lighter and wider track wheels, and Cup2s.
1LE vs SS with lighter/wider wheels and Cup2, I think SS should shave 2 seconds off of those 3 second difference.

I'm still debating if I want to get 3rd set of wheels (1LE replica) and go with Cup 2s or stick with stock wheels and push them out a bit with spacers and go with RE71Rs.
1st option will be faster but definitely lot more costly.....

[Mountain]

Originally Posted by jaymsu

I run 255/285 RS3s on stock wheels - I was running in the same group as you were in and were able to keep up with most of those Vettes, except one guy on scrubs. (and one GT3... man,,, that guy was fast...) Yeah tires are the easiest way to cheat....

RE71R now has 255/40/20 & 285/35/20, so that may give us better chance to keep up with those other cars. (not that GT3 guy though....)

Yup! This car doesn't need much. Better tires and a front sway bar.

[NCSD]

I know RE71's are great for autocross, How do they work for trackdays? Do they hold up like R-S3's? I hear they wear very fast. The price is pretty good if they work better than the Rs3's at the track and last at least 5000 doing dual duty, street and a few track / autocross days, I might go that route. Cup 2's are probably too expensive for dual duty unless you use them only at the track. For me at least. Or wait and see how much the new 1LE tires cost.

[LesBaer]

Originally Posted by Bosse'sBoss

MPSS do not come on 305's only 315's

They do come in 305's. I have them on my car right now. You were probably told that they don't because they're supposed to be "Ferrari exclusive". The only way to get them is to walk into a Ferarri dealership or go to Tire Rack:

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires....m=03YR0PSSXLV2

[jaymsu]

Originally Posted by NCSD

I know RE71's are great for autocross, How do they work for trackdays? Do they hold up like R-S3's? I hear they wear very fast. The price is pretty good if they work better than the Rs3's at the track and last at least 5000 doing dual duty, street and a few track / autocross days, I might go that route. Cup 2's are probably too expensive for dual duty unless you use them only at the track. For me at least. Or wait and see how much the new 1LE tires cost.

I personally don't have experience with RE-71 either, but I saw whole bunch of people running RE-71 at the track last time I was at the NCM track.
I asked one of the guy how those tires were working out for him and his reply was:
- definite upgrade from RS-3 (grip wise)
- heat tolerance similar to RS-3
- wears much faster than RS-3 (v2):
He said he got about 6 track days and about 4,000 miles of highway driving on those tires, but they seemed to be almost done.


After long debate in my head, I think I am going with one more set of wheels (1LE replica wheels) and MP Cup 2 tires in 1LE size. I'll just put them on before track day and take them off for day-to-day driving. Like you said, those tires are too expensive for my daily commute.

[jaymsu]

Originally Posted by Mountain

Yup! This car doesn't need much. Better tires and a front sway bar.

Are you planning for front sway bar? I was thinking about front/rear sway bar upgrade to BMR ones with their strut brace, but decided to wait and see if 1LE suspension upgrade will be available for us. (possibly with MRC re-calibration like I read somewhere)

If you do upgrade sway bar, let us know what you think.

[Mountain]

Originally Posted by jaymsu

I personally don't have experience with RE-71 either, but I saw whole bunch of people running RE-71 at the track last time I was at the NCM track.
I asked one of the guy how those tires were working out for him and his reply was:
- definite upgrade from RS-3 (grip wise)
- heat tolerance similar to RS-3
- wears much faster than RS-3 (v2):
He said he got about 6 track days and about 4,000 miles of highway driving on those tires, but they seemed to be almost done.


After long debate in my head, I think I am going with one more set of wheels (1LE replica wheels) and MP Cup 2 tires in 1LE size. I'll just put them on before track day and take them off for day-to-day driving. Like you said, those tires are too expensive for my daily commute.

I run a good amount of autocross and Lemons endurance racing. Tires are a constant topic. This is pretty accurate. I think the heat tolerance of the RS3 is a bit higher than the RE71R. You may not really see that on a track day unless it's real hot out though. When the RE71R over heats, it doesn't really get all that greasy - it just kind drops off grip from peak. The RS3 just stays pretty consistent.

[Mountain]

Originally Posted by jaymsu

Are you planning for front sway bar? I was thinking about front/rear sway bar upgrade to BMR ones with their strut brace, but decided to wait and see if 1LE suspension upgrade will be available for us. (possibly with MRC re-calibration like I read somewhere)

If you do upgrade sway bar, let us know what you think.

Yes, the BMR bar. I like Strano's stuff, but I like BMR's design a little better this time.

There will be a 1LE upgrade kit (P/N 84233246) that contains the following:
-Front bar
-Rear bar
-Front springs
-Rear springs
-Front top mount
-Front, lower suspension links (I think these are 1LE (ZL1?) Specific and maybe add more neg camber...)
-MR recal.

[irmb]

Originally Posted by Mountain

Yes, the BMR bar. I like Strano's stuff, but I like BMR's design a little better this time.

There will be a 1LE upgrade kit (P/N 84233246) that contains the following:
-Front bar
-Rear bar
-Front springs
-Rear springs
-Front top mount
-Front, lower suspension links (I think these are 1LE (ZL1?) Specific and maybe add more neg camber...)
-MR recal.

My main problem is stock damping on the 2ss. I lowered mine with bmr springs and put on 19" wheels - so the car is a good bit lower than stock.

square stance 285's - PSS's.

The car handles great. But it's bouncy. I'd like to slow it down.

We're holding off on doing anything else until coil overs or some other shock uprades become available.

In the mean time is does lean a bit - but not bad.

coming into turn 13 at thunderhill



stock 1ss behind me. You can see how much lower mine is.

[NCSD]

Wow! Reading all this is getting me pumped up to go to the track. My car is all stock right now and it only has 500 miles on it. I cant wait to get it out on the track. Chuckwalla, Autoclub Willow Springs and Buttonwillow are all on my bucket list. I've hit a few of them on bikes and in my miata, but 455 hp is going to be a world of difference. I want to buy things once and be done with it. RS3's ?? RE71?? Stock wheels?? 1LE replicas's?? brake pads ??? 1LE suspension upgrade when it comes out. ?? Lots of things to think about.

[Donner]

Motor Trend just tested the SS 1LE as a part of their hunt for the best driver's car. It broke all the records for Camaros in every area including stopping distance, figure 8, quarter mile, and it earned the lowest time around Laguna Seca with Pobst posting a lap time of 1:37.78 with the 2017 Camaro SS 1LE (he went 1:37.82 with the 5th gen Camaro Z/28). Spoiler alert, it won honorable mention as the 4th best choice. The complaint was the overall taller gearing (especially 3rd) and the long(ish) brake pedal travel.