[Fraxum]

Originally Posted by FenwickHockey65

Mid-Cycle Enhancement. New front fascia tweaks, same ones as VF Series II Commodore.

And I believe so, Zeta was never engineered for the LT-series engines so it may just soldier on with the LS3 unless Holden does it for ****s and giggles since they're about done. I know Commodore is finally ditching the old 6.0L V8.

There was a guy at Atco recently with a black SS and the Commodore fascia, lowered, with wheels, and a few other cosmetic tweaks. I have to say it was gorgeous. But lowering the car cost him 2 tenths in the 1/4. Of course it could have been more the humidity the time robber.

The SS is a great car that is a bit too pricey with really boring looks. I would not mind one with MRC and the M6 for around $40K.

[Fraxum]

Originally Posted by DGthe3

Putting a modern V8 into a modern car not designed for such an engine isn't exactly a trivial task. Over on Camaro5, people ask all the time about swapping the V6 for a V8 and I'm not sure if anyone has actually done it. I have no doubts that its possible with enough time, money, and effort. Its just too much of a hassle to be worth it to folks looking for performance on a budget, based on everything that I've heard. Especially when turbochargers exist.

There is no way GM will build such an ATS. They built the ATS-V to fill the performance niche, and went with a V6 to keep it distinct from the CTS-V.

Wait a few years. New car prices are the problem, not the cars. There are some really smart, creative swappers out there. They can weld and build their own stuff. Some of them are engineers. They like $5K and less cars for swap targets. They are not interested in new cars even if they can afford them.

How about an LS3 powered RX7. Sweet.

Pretty cool if you ask me.

[Ragnar]

Originally Posted by DGthe3

Putting a modern V8 into a modern car not designed for such an engine isn't exactly a trivial task. Over on Camaro5, people ask all the time about swapping the V6 for a V8 and I'm not sure if anyone has actually done it. I have no doubts that its possible with enough time, money, and effort. Its just too much of a hassle to be worth it to folks looking for performance on a budget, based on everything that I've heard. Especially when turbochargers exist.

There is no way GM will build such an ATS. They built the ATS-V to fill the performance niche, and went with a V6 to keep it distinct from the CTS-V.

Hard to do a swap, even in a Camaro. Matter of fact, I don't remember a successful attempt. One guy had a wrecked Camaro SS to get the parts and after a year of swapping components and spending a lot of money, they gave up! Between the computers/programming and harnesses, it was a nightmare.

[Ragnar]

Originally Posted by Fraxum

Wait a few years. New car prices are the problem, not the cars. There are some really smart, creative swappers out there. They can weld and build their own stuff. Some of them are engineers. They like $5K and less cars for swap targets. They are not interested in new cars even if they can afford them.

How about an LS3 powered RX7. Sweet.

Pretty cool if you ask me.

I had my ass handed to me a few times with that SBC combo! Back then, I learned to roll my windows down and listen for that wonderful V8 sound!

[amerhash28]

Originally Posted by ParisTNDude

I had the huge pleasure of driving a used Chevy SS with only 3500 miles on it for 4 days last week. It had both options, the moon roof and full sized spare. Everything else was included and that's a lot. Can't think of anything desirable that it didn't have. We thought hard about buying it, but the price was still huge for me at $40k and I couldn't think of trading my GS for it. I've had two 5th gens and can tell you the SS felt quicker than both the LS3 and L99 I had. Motor Trend tested it running a 12.9 @ 110 which is pretty decent. A few bolt-ons and you could do a job on most Mustang GTs. . That would be too much fun since most of them would think it were an Impala or a Malibu. Hendrick Chevrolet in Atlanta was selling six of them at the end of last year for $37K and I tried to buy one but ended up with my GS instead (yeah, break my heart).

So now I'm waiting to test the 2016 Camaro which is going to be an awesome car and I think you will be able to get a 1SS 8A for $37K or less (my guess).

Holden will discontinue building cars like the SS in 2017.

What is bolt-on?I might know what it is in my language but don't know what it is in English.can anyone explain to me what it is?how much power gains?thanks.

[Sledgehammer70]

Originally Posted by amerhash28

What is bolt-on?I might know what it is in my language but don't know what it is in English.can anyone explain to me what it is?how much power gains?thanks.

Bolt-ons are basically things you can throw on you're self quickly.

Intake, Headers, Ported Throttle body etc...

for example, a Supercharger or Turbo's are not considered Bolt-ons.

[amerhash28]

Originally Posted by Sledgehammer70

Bolt-ons are basically things you can throw on you're self quickly.

Intake, Headers, Ported Throttle body etc...

for example, a Supercharger or Turbo's are not considered Bolt-ons.

Hmmmm!so basically they are light performance modifications called bolt-ons by americans.got it!LOL.
And headers? Whats that?you mean the last part of the exhaust in the back?how can a header increase power?

[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by amerhash28

Hmmmm!so basically they are light performance modifications called bolt-ons by americans.got it!LOL.

Thats correct 'bolt ons' are simple, basic, light mods.

Originally Posted by amerhash28

And headers? Whats that?you mean the last part of the exhaust in the back?how can a header increase power?

Headers are the first part of the exhaust, attaches to the exhaust port on the engine itself. They are a special type of exhaust manifold that flows better than a normal manifold.

In a normal manifold, all the exhaust ports from one cylinder bank dump into a common collector. With headers, each cylinder gets its own exhaust tube before they get merged together. If the tubes are short, its called a shorty header. If its long, then they're called long tubes. There is a bunch more to headers, but those are the basics. If you want, I can try an even more detailed explanation ... but it seems like technical terms have a hard time passing through a language barrier.

[amerhash28]

Originally Posted by DGthe3

Thats correct 'bolt ons' are simple, basic, light mods.

Headers are the first part of the exhaust, attaches to the exhaust port on the engine itself. They are a special type of exhaust manifold that flows better than a normal manifold.

In a normal manifold, all the exhaust ports from one cylinder bank dump into a common collector. With headers, each cylinder gets its own exhaust tube before they get merged together. If the tubes are short, its called a shorty header. If its long, then they're called long tubes. There is a bunch more to headers, but those are the basics. If you want, I can try an even more detailed explanation ... but it seems like technical terms have a hard time passing through a language barrier.

Oh, no need your explanation was educating and very useful.im 20 and I don't know much about mechanical parts. Thanks a lot.but I wonder what headers can do to the sound.i heard long tubes make it really loud specially on the NPP

[joemosfet]

Huh. I've always considered bolt-ons as any pre-made object (no fabbing required) that can be "bolted on" (no permanent modifications required). If I can return to stock, I'd call that a bolt-on part.

Porting the heads and machining the block would definitely not be bolt-ons, but a supercharger kit with all included parts... sure why not? I've done both an Edelbrock and a Procharger install with headers, and it seemed very bolt-on to me - heck, the headers were harder to install than the blower (this was on a HEMI Challenger).

I suppose there is the welding of the bung into the exhaust for wideband a/f tuning wouldn't fall under my criteria for bolt on, though.

Anyway, good to know that when people refer to bolt-on they may be referring to simpler modifications.


edit: Man, it's all over the place what people consider bolt-on. Doing some googling, i find it especially when it comes to performance forums - some have a "bolt-on only" category for track slips and the arguments of what is and isn't "bolt-on" is never ending.

[fastball]

Originally Posted by Waiting46

just buy an ATS-V

all the power, all the warranty

Just give me $62,000 and I will

[ParisTNDude]

Originally Posted by amerhash28

What is bolt-on?I might know what it is in my language but don't know what it is in English.can anyone explain to me what it is?how much power gains?thanks.

The others adequately summarized what bolt-ons are. As an example, my L99 ran 13.3s in the quarter bone stock. After adding headers, ported throttle body, Cold air intake, LSXR intake manifold and a tune, my car ran 12.4s @ 115 or so which is almost a full second in the quarter mile quicker. When I sold or traded that car, I removed all the parts and returned the car to bone stock. I sold all the parts to fund the parts for my next project. I wish I had kept that car...it would have been paid for this year and then I would have more money for more bolt-ons.

When you mentioned headers as the last part of the exhaust system, it almost sounded like you should have called the last part of the exhaust system...the "FOOTERS"...lol. Laughing at my own jokes.