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Either the thieves know how to stop data collection, or GM has it post-crime. |
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03-24-2024, 02:09 PM | #31 | |
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They help locate stolen vehicle only for active subscribers with Stolen Vehicle Assistance. They may also attempt to locate a vehicle without a subscription when there is a warrant or court order to do so. So it is possible, however, they do not know the stolen/recovered status of a vehicle unless they have contact with law enforcement. You can tell them your vehicle is stolen, but until law enforcement confirms, they won't do anything. When they do, they only provide data and assistance to law enforcement. Is it possible OnStar knows where all the stolen GM cars are? Maybe, but probably not. Thieves who play for keeps will disable tracking. GM isn't about to undermine their subscription model by giving this data out or assisting owners of stolen vehicles if they do have it. Pay to play. |
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03-24-2024, 05:41 PM | #33 | |
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So be like I imagine many on this forum are already doing, and don't carry the sports car on the same policy as the dailies. If you daily yours, then may you enjoy my envy and join me without the discount. |
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03-24-2024, 06:21 PM | #35 | |
Thank you Al Oppenheiser!
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In the end it doesn't matter, because the only thing that matters to the underwriters (who make the rules) is raising premium revenues to cover the cost of the rising theft losses. And it's being played on both sides. And if they beat margin by playing the regulators, then winner winner chicken dinner. Another way to say what I'm saying is: Pretend you're the insurance company. Do you want to play bad cop and piss off a few spirited drivers and then become target of a class action lawsuit because you bought dirty data from GM? Or do you want to wear the white had and raise rates on everyone across the board while asking the state regulators to help you lean on GM and law enforcement to reduce theft -- while following it immediately with discounts to those who plug in a dongle and run the app, again all the while selling improved road safety and lower cost to voting constituents to the regulators? Which one will win you more customers, win the adoration of state regulators, while enjoying record margins? This ladies and germs, is your insurance industry hard at work. |
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As more and more Camaro's are attempted and broken into or stolen, you can be assured insurance rates will increase for all Camaro owners. Just one more reason pressure has to applied to GM to fix these vulnerabilities like Kia/ JLR did on their vehicles.
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03-24-2024, 09:09 PM | #37 | |
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They Almost got my Ram 3500 Limited!
While being focused on my Camaro ZLE being stolen, it has not occurred to me that my RAM 3500 Limited MegaCab Banks powered dually was at risk as well. at 4:14 am yesterday morning, thieves tried to steal my truck!! Luckily, the SiriusXM system was alerted and shut everything down.
Why can we not have this kind of system for our Camaros?
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Full disclosure: Both of the Red Hot 6th Gens you see in the article belong (and belonged) to me, and while GM could at least patch their firmware, I'm also interested in how difficult it would be to implement a similar solution that ZLElvira is referring to with SiriusXM on his Ram truck. I wasn't aware that Stellantis and SirusXM had some sort of theft deterrence embedded in the infotainment system. Could you explain this a little more?
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03-25-2024, 04:07 PM | #39 | |
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Second, from what I can tell, SeriusXM Guardian is basically OnStar. It’s a connected vehicle system but ads window breakage and inclinometer and alerts you via your phone if that happens. Can’t find anything that it prevents key creation. But like all the concerns here about OnStar tracking? SeriusXM Guardian does that too. Read the fine print in what they do or don’t do with the data. https://www.siriusxmcvs.com/safety-security/
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First, GM IS held accountable for their software. True , That's why they need to fix it. There is no exceptions, period !
But in this case it meets all relative FMVSS requirements and as someone mentioned GM can’t be held accountable for where you park or the scumbags hunting your car down for a joy ride. IMOP not true. OBDII - Security Attention for Automotive Author Cuong Nguyen January 16, 2023 Associate General Manager HCL Tech "As connectivity in vehicles is increasing, related parties (e.g., regulators and car makers) need to pay attention to every source of connection, as they could potentially open a multitude of remote attacks on vehicles [1, 2]. Since an OBDII system is necessary for vehicle health, passenger safety and sustainability, it is critical for manufacturers to ensure the security of this system." This has largely been overlooked. Hence Jaguar Land Rover , KIA have acted responsible to address their OBDII systems. GM has to be called out in a lawsuit, on Onstar and stops sharing driver data with brokers amid backlash data selling. Eventually, this same issue will be resolved no doubt, perhaps this way too. Last edited by L2SS455; 03-25-2024 at 05:05 PM. |
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porsche had to stop selling the caymans and boxsters in the EU because they don't meet the new anti-hacking standards.
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03-25-2024, 08:20 PM | #42 | |
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Also, Europe has some pretty strict rules on theft prevention. I don’t recall the test but you basically had to be able to stall an experienced thief for something like 2 minutes. Don’t recall if it was an insurance require or ECU. But we had to do extra stuff to export.
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