[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by clanky

I didn't even know the Chevy SS existed for a long time, never saw em driving and never looked for them online or on the lot. Chevy really needs a kick in the pants in the marketing department at least for cars... and cool cars especially.

That's because they are imported. They are marketed for a tiny segment. To make one that sell against it's chief rival (Charger) would take a car built here and with a very different set of options and packaging.

[Jeffro19]

Originally Posted by 2cnd chance

I'm guessing your talking about "roll-racing" videos on YouTube. Roll-racing has too many variables for it to ever be considered as viable or believable. In "real" testing using scientific methods, the same driver - same day - same track, both cars stock and well prepared, there is NO way the HC comes out on top.

How I see it is roll racing there is a better chance you won't loose traction and the weight of the car is not a big factor especially on the highway doing 60mph. Now on a drag strip the Z06 would take it no problem. But yeah I get what your saying some of the videos the Z06 wins then some the hellcat wins.

[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by Jeffro19

How I see it is roll racing their is a better chance you won't loose traction and the weight of the car is not a big factor especially on the highway doing 60mph. Now on a drag strip the Z06 would take it no problem. But yeah I get what your saying some of the videos the Z06 wins then some the hellcat wins.

The gearing on the A8 Hellcat is more aggressive than the A8 ZO6 as well. On a roll the Hellcat is putting it to better use than from a stop.

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[Jeffro19]

Originally Posted by SuperSound

The gearing on the A8 Hellcat is more aggressive than the A8 ZO6 as well. On a roll the Hellcat is putting it to better use than from a stop.

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Yeah and I'm not sure on the hellcat but the Z06 has like a 2.73 overall ratio rear end.

[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by Jeffro19

Yeah and I'm not sure on the hellcat but the Z06 has like a 2.73 overall ratio rear end.

I'm seeing 2.41 for final ratio on the ZO6. I was surprised (but shouldn't have been) that they dropped the Hellcat down below the 392 cars. Probably same reason for the ZO6 (traction). I'm looking for another chart with the ZO6 ratios.

Found it: The Z51 gets the higher final drive

[FINALLYSATISFIED]

Originally Posted by SuperSound

You misunderstood me. I'm not saying the Hellcat is a failure, I'm saying that all the advertising they are doing isn't providing a return worth it. Media reviews of the Hellcat was all they needed and the reason demand exceeded capacity. The point of all the commercials/movie spots isn't to sell Hellcats, it's to sell Chargers and Challengers. And there hasn't been much of an uptick there. If anything one could say that all 3 (Mustang, Camaro, Challenger) have seen upticks (compared to last year) simply due to market/gas conditions.

If they weren't selling and meeting the demands Dodge set forth you can bet it wouldn't be on a 10 year run and production would have stopped earlier than expected. Challenger is doing exactly what Dodge intended it to do. Challenger has been consistent. From Day 1, it wasn't the most popular choice. The 2010 Camaro was. To this day it still isn't the popular choice, the Camaro is.

[FINALLYSATISFIED]

Mr. Wyndham, how much is GM paying you to continue to make erroneous comments about a vehicle you never had any interaction with? Your gimmick is up. Hellcat is heavy. Hellcat has no cornering ability. It's Dodge swan song. Chances are you have ever faced one on the track and or road. Coming from a 1LE and ZL1 owner I'd be the first to embarrass you at either or if given the chance.

[Heavymetal454]

Ugh!

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by FINALLYSATISFIED

Mr. Wyndham, how much is GM paying you to continue to make erroneous comments about a vehicle you never had any interaction with? Your gimmick is up. Hellcat is heavy. Hellcat has no cornering ability. It's Dodge swan song. Chances are you have ever faced one on the track and or road. Coming from a 1LE and ZL1 owner I'd be the first to embarrass you at either or if given the chance.

Seriously, though...They have better uses for their money than to pay for what would amount to a Hype man....like...suspension development at the Nurburgring, for example.

I'm not sure why you've singled me out when many others in here share the same sort of opinions. But my opinion (and that's all it is) is besides the point:

The Hellcat IS heavy, brutally so. Challenger/Charger is 350-450 lbs heavier than the outgoing ZL1 which itself, was considered heavy...It does not handle at the levels that the rest of the class does. Nor should it...it was built to go fast in a straight line. That isn't a knock...just a clear understanding of its purpose. Note that I've never said it couldn't turn, or exaggerated anything. Every car with 4 wheels can do that.

I don't "face" anything on the road...sorry, not programmed that way...'fast' menaces can go roll on down the road without me next to them. Now, at the track...I've never seen a Challenger of any variant at a road course I've been to...I'm sure they're out there, somewhere. But no...never had the pleasure.

Finally...you seem offended to find these statements on the internet, which surprises me...perhaps you misread the forum title?

[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by FINALLYSATISFIED

If they weren't selling and meeting the demands Dodge set forth you can bet it wouldn't be on a 10 year run and production would have stopped earlier than expected. Challenger is doing exactly what Dodge intended it to do. Challenger has been consistent. From Day 1, it wasn't the most popular choice. The 2010 Camaro was. To this day it still isn't the popular choice, the Camaro is.

Were did I say they weren't meeting demands? Matter of fact, I said in another post how the Charger is the business justification for keeping the Challenger going at it's current rates. It's easy to justify 3rd in "pony" car market when you can sell twice as many Chargers, a car which for all purposes is just another variant sharing 75% of it's components with the other. Put their monthly sales together and you have a car that's outselling the Mustang and Camaro by a good margin. That's exactly how they justify it.

But my whole point was the advertising they started last year has made little difference in sales of the Challenger or Charger.

[DenverTaco07]

Mr. Whyndham, how much is GM paying you to defend the Camaro on the Hellcat forums? It seems that since it is quite clear Dodge has paid agents defending the HC on camaro forums one must conclude GM does the same.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by DenverTaco07

Mr. Whyndham, how much is GM paying you to defend the Camaro on the Hellcat forums? It seems that since it is quite clear Dodge has paid agents defending the HC on camaro forums one must conclude GM does the same.

Your logic is sound.

My roll is singularly the brainwashing of existing enthusiasts.

They've hired someone else to infiltrate the litter-box.

[Ghost7997]

Originally Posted by Mr. Wyndham

Your logic is sound.

My roll is singularly the brainwashing of existing enthusiasts.

They've hired someone else to infiltrate the litter-box.

[Heavymetal454]

A very little known fact is you can read something you don't agree with on the Internet and just move on without saying a word. They oughta post that somewhere.