[Iron Lung Jimmy]

This thread has become an embarrassment. The whining, crying, complaining, excuses, conspiracy theories...

Did I mention whining?

Two guys from Motor Trend like the GT350R better... big ****ing deal. The world is not ending, the ZL1 is still the same car it ever was, and the manhood of ZL1 owners has not been compromised in any way.

Is one car better than the other? Who knows... probably not. All we do know is that two guys from Motor Trend like the GT350R better. That's it... big deal.

Please, let's maintain some dignity around here.

[13vertss]

Originally Posted by Faster12

I couldn't read through all the comments without making my own. Did anyone else notice that on the short straights coming out of the turns, the ZL1 wasn't carrying as much speed as the mustang? Even on the final stretch the ZL1 didn't break away? Any thoughts???

If you watch the 1st zl1 track time which came in at 1:36.16, or almost 2sec faster then this time, he wasn't pulling the speed. The first time he got to 140mph a couple times in the lap and carried 145mph at the last straightaway. This time he only got to 140 at the last straightaway, and that was 142mph. So his speed this time was slower then the first track time.

[Can'tHave2MuchHP]

Originally Posted by Iron Lung Jimmy

This thread has become an embarrassment. The whining, crying, complaining, excuses, conspiracy theories...

Did I mention whining?

Two guys from Motor Trend like the GT350R better... big ****ing deal. The world is not ending, the ZL1 is still the same car it ever was, and the manhood of ZL1 owners has not been compromised in any way.

Is one car better than the other? Who knows... probably not. All we do know is that two guys from Motor Trend like the GT350R better. That's it... big deal.

Please, let's maintain some dignity around here.

While in one respect you may be right, I think you are missing it...Nobody is crying or whining (That I have read), more like talking about the cars differences with a "Mustang Fanboy". The ZL1 is better and faster just like everyone knows it is. The GT350R is more "Special". And if you asked me (Hardcore Chevy guy) which car was more special and which car sounded better, I'd say the GT350/R. So there. (Uncork the exhaust on the LT4 though and it sounds nasty, the flat plane crank does have a roar that 8250 RPMs gives that is really cool).

These things have always been more for entertainment than they are about cars. Just like Top Gear used to be. Watch both anyways, but as far as actual car knowledge or driving knowledge, they're both jokes.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by Iron Lung Jimmy

This thread has become an embarrassment. The whining, crying, complaining, excuses, conspiracy theories...

Did I mention whining?

Two guys from Motor Trend like the GT350R better... big ****ing deal. The world is not ending, the ZL1 is still the same car it ever was, and the manhood of ZL1 owners has not been compromised in any way.

Is one car better than the other? Who knows... probably not. All we do know is that two guys from Motor Trend like the GT350R better. That's it... big deal.

Please, let's maintain some dignity around here.

I'm not whining. I'm just a bit furious because a lot of these companies can't just declare a car a winner. They have to be political about it and say "Oh this car won the race, but..."...and then comes the subjective stuff like "...but this car is special and feels more comfortable to drive and yada yada yada". See, some of us want hard results instead of the "don't shoot me" add-on comments. I'd rather flat out lose than be told I won because of stuff that doesn't matter. To me as an enthusiast that is an insult. If I lose, hey it was a good race, I did good, I lost to something better, toss me a beer and lets do it again some time. We tune in to these comparisons because we wanna see who is gonna win. Not to see "well this car is faster but this other car won because it is special". At this point I feel that MT yanked my chain all this time and just wanted people to tune in just to give them nothing. And to be honest, I would not have minded at all if the GT350 won the race. It is a purpose built car with a crazy suspension. It doesn't cost over $60K for nothing. It lacks the power of the ZL1 but it makes up for it in other areas. Even if it did win I still wouldn't want one tho because to me, a 12.2 second quarter mile and 526 hp is not worth the money they cost regardless of how well it handles. I picked the ZL1 over the Hellcat, GT350, and a slew of other cars for a reason. So I didn't care who won or loss. I just wish they had the balls to base the test off of racing and declare a winner.

[unavailablezl1]

Originally Posted by Can'tHave2MuchHP

While in one respect you may be right, I think you are missing it...Nobody is crying or whining (That I have read), more like talking about the cars differences with a "Mustang Fanboy". The ZL1 is better and faster just like everyone knows it is. The GT350R is more "Special". And if you asked me (Hardcore Chevy guy) which car was more special and which car sounded better, I'd say the GT350/R. So there. (Uncork the exhaust on the LT4 though and it sounds nasty, the flat plane crank does have a roar that 8250 RPMs gives that is really cool).

These things have always been more for entertainment than they are about cars. Just like Top Gear used to be. Watch both anyways, but as far as actual car knowledge or driving knowledge, they're both jokes.

I don't see any whining either. The MT "show" turned out to be a disappointment though, is all I can see. It wasn't a H2H of track times. It was merely a popularity contest and TV entertainment. Nothing more.

Hell, might as well watch 1/4 mile drags instead. There the winner is really the winner. Nobody cares how your car looks.

[JB'sZL1]

I've read a number of the posts in this thread. I've never had a Ford. But I like any car by any manufacturer that is impressive.

A little off topic, but I am reminded by Ford's constant advertisements of an aluminum truck bed...until Chevy quickly showed what a falling toolbox does to that truck bed. Ford quickly cancelled that advertisement. I have not seen it since.

Was it a mistake? Not really, because aluminum has it's advantages. Probably just not in a work truck.

The comparison will be interesting, but not really a fair comparison (weight, no back seat, wheels, tires in the R), and the ZL1 shines as an all around car, if not a touring car.

[762CAT]

This video seems relevant..and ironically draws the same conclusion Motor Trend did. ZL1 is better in every performance aspect but the GT350R feels like a magical unicorn. The closing comment seems very relevant to this thread. LMFAO.

[762CAT]

On a more serious point…… I'm surprised MT overlooked the active rev matching feature on the ZL1. The reality of the two cars (feel aside) is in the hands of an average driver the ZL1 will be much faster. At the limits of the car in the hands of a professional it was faster. The gap will grow with folks who cannot heel toe downshift the stang and who otherwise have no professional training or driver skill (most people fall into this category). Hell even people who regularly track and have training the ZL1 difference will be greater. Randy even admitted it was much easier to drive fast.

I track my car and I still would buy the ZL1 hands down.

[Mustang Fanboy]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Ok so the Mustang won based off of "sound, feel, and specialness"...LOL, ok cool. Which car won based off of getting around the track faster? I mean, I'm a bit confused. Did sound, feel, and specialness propel one car 0.40 seconds into the future or...?? So were we racing cars today or looking at them and touching them? I'm sorry, was this a Motr Trend car show? because if a car can win a track test based off of looks, feel, and specialness, should Hellcats win every car show because they are faster? So if I said "Hey MotorTrend, which car is faster?"...would they point to the one that they think has looks, feels, and specials...?? If I race for pinks and lose the race but my car looks better, feels better, and is more "special", then did I really win?? Can we enter subjective comments into the scores of track results from now on? I mean come on, lol!! That is a very shallow win for the Ford boys. It's kinda like when a hott chick wears a mini skirt and halter top with a choker to school and fails a math test but the teacher kinda gives her a B-...or when the fat kid comes in dead last in a foot race but they give him a medal because he really tried...and his mom is super hott. LOL!! Anyway, they can have their looks, feels, and specials, I'll take the faster car.

This was never about which one was faster. The GT350R was fast enough and had more intangibles. They often don't choose the faster car (see the 2016 best drivers edition). Why everyone is so damn obsessed with owning the faster car is beyond me.

Originally Posted by Can'tHave2MuchHP

While in one respect you may be right, I think you are missing it...Nobody is crying or whining (That I have read), more like talking about the cars differences with a "Mustang Fanboy". The ZL1 is better and faster just like everyone knows it is. The GT350R is more "Special". And if you asked me (Hardcore Chevy guy) which car was more special and which car sounded better, I'd say the GT350/R. So there. (Uncork the exhaust on the LT4 though and it sounds nasty, the flat plane crank does have a roar that 8250 RPMs gives that is really cool).

These things have always been more for entertainment than they are about cars. Just like Top Gear used to be. Watch both anyways, but as far as actual car knowledge or driving knowledge, they're both jokes.

Actually, there are some here that think Randy was somehow tanking, that the GT350R has better tires, and that's why it was so close etc. People are looking for an excuse here.

The Zl1 is faster for sure...and (Besides the damn visibility) a better daily driver too. That does not make it a more desirable car though.

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

I'm not whining. I'm just a bit furious because a lot of these companies can't just declare a car a winner. They have to be political about it and say "Oh this car won the race, but..."...and then comes the subjective stuff like "...but this car is special and feels more comfortable to drive and yada yada yada". See, some of us want hard results instead of the "don't shoot me" add-on comments. I'd rather flat out lose than be told I won because of stuff that doesn't matter. To me as an enthusiast that is an insult. If I lose, hey it was a good race, I did good, I lost to something better, toss me a beer and lets do it again some time. We tune in to these comparisons because we wanna see who is gonna win. Not to see "well this car is faster but this other car won because it is special". At this point I feel that MT yanked my chain all this time and just wanted people to tune in just to give them nothing. And to be honest, I would not have minded at all if the GT350 won the race. It is a purpose built car with a crazy suspension. It doesn't cost over $60K for nothing. It lacks the power of the ZL1 but it makes up for it in other areas. Even if it did win I still wouldn't want one tho because to me, a 12.2 second quarter mile and 526 hp is not worth the money they cost regardless of how well it handles. I picked the ZL1 over the Hellcat, GT350, and a slew of other cars for a reason. So I didn't care who won or loss. I just wish they had the balls to base the test off of racing and declare a winner.

I'm curious how the GT350R somehow has a "crazy suspension" when the dampeners are the same type the Zl1 sports. There is nothing crazy here, it's just tuned a bit more firm.

Originally Posted by unavailablezl1

I don't see any whining either. The MT "show" turned out to be a disappointment though, is all I can see. It wasn't a H2H of track times. It was merely a popularity contest and TV entertainment. Nothing more.

Hell, might as well watch 1/4 mile drags instead. There the winner is really the winner. Nobody cares how your car looks.

Maybe not whining, but a whole lot of excuses.

And for the record, all of the H2H are not about who's fastest, but what car they think is better....or they desire more. Quite frankly, it's not too far off from what a lot the general public thinks. The GT350R just has that "I'm special" feel to it.

[unavailablezl1]

Originally Posted by JB'sZL1

I've read a number of the posts in this thread. I've never had a Ford. But I like any car by any manufacturer that is impressive.

A little off topic, but I am reminded by Ford's constant advertisements of an aluminum truck bed...until Chevy quickly showed what a falling toolbox does to that truck bed. Ford quickly cancelled that advertisement. I have not seen it since.

Was it a mistake? Not really, because aluminum has it's advantages. Probably just not in a work truck.

The comparison will be interesting, but not really a fair comparison (weight, no back seat, wheels, tires in the R), and the ZL1 shines as an all around car, if not a touring car.

A bed liner would fix all of that and be lightweight. I still would not buy it

[Mustang Fanboy]

Originally Posted by unavailablezl1

A bed liner would fix all of that and be lightweight. I still would not buy it

And everyone that buys a F150 or Chevy truck would have one (bed-liner). Those commercials are utterly BS.

[Memphis]

Originally Posted by FNxR3DNECK

Seriously can we just get the SS 1LE vs. GT350 H2H already?!?! haha PLEASE!!!

That will not happen unless they get a car from an owner, Ford will not provide them a car for that comparison.

[irmb]

Originally Posted by Mustang Fanboy

This was never about which one was faster. The GT350R was fast enough and had more intangibles. They often don't choose the faster car (see the 2016 best drivers edition). .

Thing is the gt350r aint that fast. I was able to hang with one in my NA 16 ss at thunderhill. if I had a zl1 I would have crushed him.

[Mustang Fanboy]

Originally Posted by irmb

Thing is the gt350r aint that fast. I was able to hang with one in my NA 16 ss at thunderhill. if I had a zl1 I would have crushed him.

I hate to break it to you but your SS isn't fast to me either. Both would have been demolished by several of my previous mustangs.