[arpad_m]

Originally Posted by m6-lt1

Thanks and all those things you listed make sense aside from the seating position as that one I would consider subjective. I’m actually looking to move back into a mustang so that’s why I was asking. Never had a coyote or modular 4 valve and I’m getting the itch to try something new.

Try the Voodoo in a GT350 instead if you want something special from the Ford side

[m6-lt1]

Originally Posted by arpad_m

Try the Voodoo in a GT350 instead if you want something special from the Ford side

I did. I almost traded my car in for one twice but I didn’t like it enough to take the loss on mine. I also no longer want track specialty cars. I find them a waste to drive on the street.

[Mark20242SS]

Think it over longer before you trade in your Camaro, they will still be making mustangs so easy to get one but harder to get a good used camaro.
yeah the seats in the camaro sit lower than the mustang, more like a sports car, you feel like you are not sitting on top of the car like the mustang does.
the seat backs in the camaro are power also and mustang manual seatback and if you get recaros you can't get heat or ventilated on the mustang and no power adjustments at all on mustang.
just make sure that is what you want to do, i have sometimes made purchases too fast in the past.

[m6-lt1]

Originally Posted by Mark20242SS

Think it over longer before you trade in your Camaro, they will still be making mustangs so easy to get one but harder to get a good used camaro.
yeah the seats in the camaro sit lower than the mustang, more like a sports car, you feel like you are not sitting on top of the car like the mustang does.
the seat backs in the camaro are power also and mustang manual seatback and if you get recaros you can't get heat or ventilated on the mustang and no power adjustments at all on mustang.
just make sure that is what you want to do, i have sometimes made purchases too fast in the past.

Honestly I get the itch to sell it every year so I think it’s time. I’ve been in this platform for 6 years so I’m just itching to try something different. I actually prefer the mustangs seating position and manual seats. I hate that the recaros don’t come heated though.

You can still find low mile 5th gen’s so I’m not worried about finding a slightly used Camaro in the future. If I come back to the platform it would be in a ZL1. Nothing below that would work for me after what I plan on moving too. Low mile top trims of sports cars are extremely easy to find even ten years later. Folks who buy them don’t drive them much.

I bought my Camaro to track and I don’t track it enough so justify having it. Decided to sell it this coming spring and find something a bit older, raw and more powerful.

[Mark20242SS]

Originally Posted by m6-lt1

Honestly I get the itch to sell it every year so I think it’s time. I’ve been in this platform for 6 years so I’m just itching to try something different. I actually prefer the mustangs seating position and manual seats. I hate that the recaros don’t come heated though.

You can still find low mile 5th gen’s so I’m not worried about finding a slightly used Camaro in the future. If I come back to the platform it would be in a ZL1. Nothing below that would work for me after what I plan on moving too. Low mile top trims of sports cars are extremely easy to find even ten years later. Folks who buy them don’t drive them much.

I bought my Camaro to track and I don’t track it enough so justify having it. Decided to sell it this coming spring and find something a bit older, raw and more powerful.

try to find yourself a good ZL1 now and save having to trade again if you did get a mustang, the camaro is just a better all around car, the alpha chassis makes the difference, the mustang is on a cheap old chassis.
have you watched all of the savagegeese camaro videos? they explain the differences. they say the 6th gen SS is still better than a S650.
get the regular ZL1 not a 1LE if you do not track much, do not want that suspension for the street lol.
there are also new rumors all the time of a next gen camaro being possible soon on gm authority.
the low mileage ZL1's i saw online were not selling for less than msrp , that is why i stayed with the 2SS, i would not ever need that supercharger for daily driving anyways, i do not race or track.

[m6-lt1]

Originally Posted by Mark20242SS

try to find yourself a good ZL1 now and save having to trade again if you did get a mustang, the camaro is just a better all around car, the alpha chassis makes the difference, the mustang is on a cheap old chassis.
have you watched all of the savagegeese camaro videos? they explain the differences. they say the 6th gen SS is still better than a S650.
get the regular ZL1 not a 1LE if you do not track much, do not want that suspension for the street lol.
there are also new rumors all the time of a next gen camaro being possible soon on gm authority.
the low mileage ZL1's i saw online were not selling for less than msrp , that is why i stayed with the 2SS, i would not ever need that supercharger for daily driving anyways, i do not race or track.

I’ve watched pretty much every video on the 6th gen Camaro multiple times lol. It’s probably why I bought 2. When the roads near you are only straight, the alpha chassis does not matter. I don’t get to use what this chassis is good at BUT I still have to deal with the compromises of being in a Camaro. As sales have shown, it is worse at being a car. You don’t drive a lap time. Good lap times do not matter on the street. As I’ve gotten older, I’ve learned that stuff doesn’t matter unless you track the cars. I’m just buying a different car in order to cruise in it and do some pulls when the roads are wide open. Again, I’ve been in the platform for 6 years, it’s time for something new. I’m not interested in a ZL1, I just want to try something different.

I’m not going to go S650. Either an s197 GT500 or a boss 302. Maybe even an 11-14 GT. I want something raw and powerful so I’m heavily leaning towards the GT500. I always wanted one and it will suit my needs better.

[Bosse'sBoss]

Originally Posted by arpad_m

Try the Voodoo in a GT350 instead if you want something special from the Ford side

I test drove a Shelby GT350 and in street was lifeless below 4000 RPM and in 1st shift you already exceed the speed limit of that car. The exhaust sounded great and it was addictive driving it at 8000 rpm, but instead got the C7 Z51 that delivered higher torque, more practical for street driving.

[arpad_m]

Originally Posted by Bosse'sBoss

I test drove a Shelby GT350 and in street was lifeless below 4000 RPM and in 1st shift you already exceed the speed limit of that car. The exhaust sounded great and it was addictive driving it at 8000 rpm, but instead got the C7 Z51 that delivered higher torque, more practical for street driving.

Haha, I'm not contesting the advantages of low end torque , one of the many reasons I have a Camaro and not a Mustang
Just thought if someone was itching to drive something truly different, this would be a good candidate.

[bishopts]

I had a friend that had a 2019ish scat pack challenger with a 6 speed. It felt very powerful and was really easy to get in and out of. He put around 170k miles on it. I would think it would run with a 6th gen SS in a straight line. Might be a good choice if you could find one.

[m6-lt1]

Originally Posted by bishopts

I had a friend that had a 2019ish scat pack challenger with a 6 speed. It felt very powerful and was really easy to get in and out of. He put around 170k miles on it. I would think it would run with a 6th gen SS in a straight line. Might be a good choice if you could find one.

I am considering hellcats as well. The scat is a bit slower than our cars but it does feel faster than a 1LE since the suspension setup is archaic.

[arpad_m]

Originally Posted by m6-lt1

I am considering hellcats as well. The scat is a bit slower than our cars but it does feel faster than a 1LE since the suspension setup is archaic.

You meant the Scat Pack does *not* feel faster than the 1LE because the Scat Pack's suspension is archaic, right?

The Challenger in general is more spacious for sure, and that hellkitty is crazy fast indeed, but it looks like a late 90s, early 2000s car at best, a dinosaur next to a 6th gen Camaro, and let's not even get into a driving dynamics comparison. Just my 2 cents'.

[m6-lt1]

Originally Posted by arpad_m

You meant the Scat Pack does *not* feel faster than the 1LE because the Scat Pack's suspension is archaic, right?

No I meant feels faster, specifically in a straight line. Cars with worse suspension/chassis setups FEEL faster than they actually are versus well setup/buttoned down cars. That’s why I dislike my 1LE. In acceleration feel, it’s a downgrade versus my prior SS even though they accelerate at the same rate of speed.

[arpad_m]

Originally Posted by m6-lt1

No I meant feels faster, specifically in a straight line. Cars with worse suspension/chassis setups FEEL faster than they actually are versus well setup/buttoned down cars. That’s why I dislike my 1LE. In acceleration feel, it’s a downgrade versus my prior SS even though they accelerate at the same rate of speed.

Aha, I see, thanks. I thought forward acceleration was forward acceleration in terms of butt dyno feel, regardless of the suspension setup. I have not driven the Scat Pack, but for example the 5th gen Camaro didn't feel more "brutal" or "raw" than MRC 6th gens at similar power levels, despite the major difference in their suspensions.

Then again, curb weights were different, weather was different, tires and actual power level, too, so my observations are purely subjective as well... wish we had access to all these cars in every configuration so we could run some scientific back-to-back testing

[Bosse'sBoss]

Originally Posted by m6-lt1

I’ve watched pretty much every video on the 6th gen Camaro multiple times lol. It’s probably why I bought 2. When the roads near you are only straight, the alpha chassis does not matter. I don’t get to use what this chassis is good at BUT I still have to deal with the compromises of being in a Camaro. As sales have shown, it is worse at being a car. You don’t drive a lap time. Good lap times do not matter on the street. As I’ve gotten older, I’ve learned that stuff doesn’t matter unless you track the cars. I’m just buying a different car in order to cruise in it and do some pulls when the roads are wide open. Again, I’ve been in the platform for 6 years, it’s time for something new. I’m not interested in a ZL1, I just want to try something different.

I’m not going to go S650. Either an s197 GT500 or a boss 302. Maybe even an 11-14 GT. I want something raw and powerful so I’m heavily leaning towards the GT500. I always wanted one and it will suit my needs better.

Then I think you would love the 5th gen ZL1, that its very powerful, SC and exhaust sound great and has that oustanding Muscle car look. I really enjoyed mine. Of all the sport cars that I had this one was the one that received more thumbs up, and it was very reliable. ZL1s are very rare in the street while base Camaros, Mustangs and Vettes are everywhere.