[Joshinator99]

Originally Posted by FlukeSS

Personally,

Disclaimer: I've never owned a 5th gen.

I am of a different opinion than some. I'd rather have the 5th gen over the 6th for upgradeability reasons.

The 5th gen has a better rear end than the 6th gen unless you get a ZL1.

The differential on the 5th gen is known by the nickname, "Grave Digger" because GM could not intentionally break the differential when they tried to. You can pretty much throw anything you want at the 5th gen rear end and it will keep asking for more. I believe I read somewhere the 5th gen rear end is the same rear end in the ZL1's.

Unlike 6th gens outside of the ZL1 category. They need upgraded rear ends at certain power levels. Around 650+ rwhp depending on how you use that power. At a drag strip on a sticky, may not be a wise choice with a stock rear end on the 6th gen. Plenty of people have blown their axles and diffs that way.



Also I wish I could make that claim but I cannot yet. 11.6 in about 2500 DA is my best.

So I shouldn’t have drag raced my SS diff for the past 6-7 years with up to and including 1059 WHP on a stock SS diff?!? In my entire time on this board I could count broken SS diffs with one hand and still have fingers left over. I have a stack of mid 9 second timeslips on this diff and it’s is still as quiet as the day I bought it. I think this is being way overblown in my humble opinion. I know way more modded SS cars with stock diffs than I do one with changed or modded diffs.

[ariZona28]

Originally Posted by 92zrunner

Hey all. I have a 2010 ABM 1ss/rs 6spd Camaro that I love

THIS. Keep the unique ABM 5th Gen.

[FlukeSS]

Originally Posted by redcoats1976

i own a 5th gen.looked at the 6th,and it was a nice car.lighter and a little faster due to that,but at 6ft2 and 230 i felt cramped in the 6th gen.best thing to do is go drive one and see what you think.

I'm 6' 245lbs and I fit fine in mine. But 2 inches really is huge difference in this car. And the seat back can only recline so far. So I can understand 6'2" being a lot tougher.

[FlukeSS]

Originally Posted by Joshinator99

So I shouldn’t have drag raced my SS diff for the past 6-7 years with up to and including 1059 WHP on a stock SS diff?!? In my entire time on this board I could count broken SS diffs with one hand and still have fingers left over. I have a stack of mid 9 second timeslips on this diff and it’s is still as quiet as the day I bought it. I think this is being way overblown in my humble opinion. I know way more modded SS cars with stock diffs than I do one with changed or modded diffs.

Axles are more common than the diff, but there are a few stories out there. I believe driveshafts as well.

https://www.camaro6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=554811

https://www.camaro6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=534319

https://www.camaro6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=550306

https://www.camaro6.com/forums/showt...lf+shaft+bolts - TSB # 16-NA-399 - 2016/2017 (This includes your car Josh or at least the car in the signature also includes ZL1's of the same years) - Information on Replacing Half Shaft Fasteners with Revised Parts

I actively looked for an A10 car specifically because I didn't want to deal with the Transmission shudder of the A8's. I did have the A8 transmisison shudder on my 2016 SS but got it fixed before it was to late.

In my opinion I think you should count your lucky stars your SS held up better than most that I have read about. A unicorn example for the 6th gen it seems.

I am not that lucky with this 2020 A10. And I'm starting to regret modding it as much as I have. I just want the car to run well for at least a year before I have to worry about something. I'm not THAT lucky so far. As right now I'm dealing with a misfire issue that two shops can't find. I've already spent $1000 worth in diagnostics and still don't know what is causing my issue.

[JamesNoBrakes]

I had a 2010. I upgraded the sways. It was a good car. It wasn't mind blowing outstanding in any way, but it was solid, coming out of an era where US sports and sporty cars were pretty crap. One thing that WAS mind-blowing is how I had more traction and road-holding in the wet compared to my previous Subaru WRX. I thought the WRX was the king of turns in the wet with AWD...but of course that was just massive under-steer followed by snap-oversteer and the actual road-holding was pretty shit. The 2010 SS was kind of a revelation for me there. The 2010 was well rounded, SS with a manual transmission it was 3850 and not super light...but also not super heavy. It was a good chassis with pretty good...everything. If you are happy with it, it's a good solid car. You put some wider stickier rubber on there (with the wheels to support it) and it's not going to suck. You will never beat an AWD turbo or electric car off the line...but you have torque for days and again, just an all around good car.

The 6th gen I got, in 1LE, really turns it up to 10 in terms of handling and chassis tuning. It's a few hundred pounds lighter, with a tiny bit more power, with the rubber to support the power. Everything is better and the car is noticeably smaller. Proportions are similar...but you get in and you notice it's narrower, you notice you aren't way bigger than similar cars, although the body is still a little deceiving IMO, it *seems* big, but you put it next to a 5th gen and you see where they trimmed a bunch from it. With a manual gear shifter, it really shines IME. The 1-to-4th transition in the 5th struggled more IME, whereas in this it's easier and doesn't bog down as much, since it's pulling 200lb less with a little more power. This is easily defeat-able by one of a few different methods, but I found it's a good metric for the power to weight.

I'm doing crazy things with this at autoX where people don't think a Camaro should be able to handle and...freaking win the class. You *can* tune one of these to drag race...but this car is NOT tuned from the factory for drag racing. It's tuned for handling and the track. It's somewhat of a revelation that they continued the development of the 5th gen in the direction of increased performance, rather than cheap thrills like a dodge or electric hybrid car. This is such a visceral fun car that brings you pretty close to nirvana in a few areas. It's currently below freezing and I'm on my studded winter tires before the snow flies (and I generally don't drive in the sloppy snow crap, only when it's not snowed for a long time and it's generally pretty clear) so my days are limited, but I choose to drive it still, because it's just such a great chassis.

Again, 5th gen is not bad at all. The chassis was the basis of the CTS-V, Holden Commodore, G8/SS Sedan, etc. All great cars. Lots of upgrade potential too. A guy races a 5th gen 1LE and it's not very far off IMO. That's a well balanced car.

IME though, if you are getting these in auto...just pass. You are going to miss out on a lot of the visceral reason to get the car. I don't hate autos at all...certain cars are better with autos for the driving experience. Certain cars are better with manuals. This one is definitely better with a manual IMO.

[Joshinator99]

Originally Posted by FlukeSS

Axles are more common than the diff, but there are a few stories out there. I believe driveshafts as well.

https://www.camaro6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=554811

https://www.camaro6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=534319

https://www.camaro6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=550306

https://www.camaro6.com/forums/showt...lf+shaft+bolts - TSB # 16-NA-399 - 2016/2017 (This includes your car Josh or at least the car in the signature also includes ZL1's of the same years) - Information on Replacing Half Shaft Fasteners with Revised Parts

I actively looked for an A10 car specifically because I didn't want to deal with the Transmission shudder of the A8's. I did have the A8 transmisison shudder on my 2016 SS but got it fixed before it was to late.

In my opinion I think you should count your lucky stars your SS held up better than most that I have read about. A unicorn example for the 6th gen it seems.

I am not that lucky with this 2020 A10. And I'm starting to regret modding it as much as I have. I just want the car to run well for at least a year before I have to worry about something. I'm not THAT lucky so far. As right now I'm dealing with a misfire issue that two shops can't find. I've already spent $1000 worth in diagnostics and still don't know what is causing my issue.

Axles and driveshaft would need to be upgraded on a blown 5th gen too, so that’s a wash… again, virtually no real SS diff issues to speak of on cars slapping down big power. That’s not to say that they never die, but if you’re upgrading from 5th gen to 6th gen that would be the least of my worries. Having to dump huge money into fueling a DI-only car is the bigger stumbling block in my opinion… major PITA fueling big power 6th gen’s.

[FlukeSS]

Originally Posted by Joshinator99

Axles and driveshaft would need to be upgraded on a blown 5th gen too, so that’s a wash… again, virtually no real SS diff issues to speak of on cars slapping down big power. That’s not to say that they never die, but if you’re upgrading from 5th gen to 6th gen that would be the least of my worries. Having to dump huge money into fueling a DI-only car is the bigger stumbling block in my opinion… major PITA fueling big power 6th gen’s.

I also said rear ends... so maybe not differentials explicitly. But Point taken.

[Joshinator99]

Originally Posted by FlukeSS

I also said rear ends... so maybe not differentials explicitly. But Point taken.

[arpad_m]

Well, I've checked into these three threads you linked, FlukeSS, and there is nothing in there to support your theory. The first thread doesn't even mention the rear end except for the title, the second and third threads describe a single point, first model year only failure where GM initially used too short rear axle bolts, then quickly remediated the issue in Nov 2016 via TSB 16-NA-399.

To me, this doesn't seem to justify a "6th gen rear end is weak" stance. A single fastener design oversight (or overly ambitious optimization) that got fixed very early on, and nothing but crickets since then. Josh abused the rear end of his car to no end (sorry, couldn't resist the pun), and it's still holding up.

Sure, if you 2x your power and then launch on drag radials lowered to 15 psi, you may break a halfshaft or (much rather) the driveshaft, but that's 100% self-inflicted---much as I dislike GM's many decisions, this is not a weakness of the 6th gen. The non-electronic LSD with the welded ring gear in the SS is pretty stout, and the e-diff in the ZL1 is likely even stronger.

[m6-lt1]

If you want a car with a more muscle car feel stick to your 5th gen. If you want to experience a legit sports car make the switch. I sometimes miss the muscle car feel of prior Camaro’s and Mustangs. I hope to one day be able to add an older Mustang/Camaro to my stable but I’ll have to wait and see. The 6th gen Camaro is the sports car I thought I’d never be able to get (at least not until I had corvette money).

[KingLT1]

Originally Posted by FlukeSS

Personally,

Disclaimer: I've never owned a 5th gen.

I am of a different opinion than some. I'd rather have the 5th gen over the 6th for upgradeability reasons.

The 5th gen has a better rear end than the 6th gen unless you get a ZL1.

The differential on the 5th gen is known by the nickname, "Grave Digger" because GM could not intentionally break the differential when they tried to. You can pretty much throw anything you want at the 5th gen rear end and it will keep asking for more. I believe I read somewhere the 5th gen rear end is the same rear end in the ZL1's.

Unlike 6th gens outside of the ZL1 category. They need upgraded rear ends at certain power levels. Around 650+ rwhp depending on how you use that power. At a drag strip on a sticky, may not be a wise choice with a stock rear end on the 6th gen. Plenty of people have blown their axles and diffs that way.



Also I wish I could make that claim but I cannot yet. 11.6 in about 2500 DA is my best.

The 6th gen diff is plenty strong. Most issues are from not changing the fluid. Guys have been running 8's and 1.3 60fts with no real issues. The driveshaft and axles are the weakest link but still not horrible. Guys have run high 9's @ 140 on all stock stuff.

[SomeGeoffGuy]

I would upgrade if you could afford to step up to a car with MR. On my convertible, the MR car rides ten times smoother than my 5th gen. My wife wanted me to keep my 2012 for longer, but one ride in a 2016 on some bumpy roads and she was like "Get this now!".

-Geoff