[kevin2323]

Originally Posted by Skyman 08

70-73 CAMARO had round taillights, then they went to the wrap arounds for the rest of the gen 2 and then all of the gen 3

even if you think the new camaro looks like a corvette in the rear, is that a bad thing? the 70-73 had the same shape tail lights as the 68-82 Vettes...
in fact they advertized the 70 Camaro as "Closest thing to a Vette Yet"

no it wouldnt if it actually looked good. To me they tried too hard to make it look like the vette and failed at it. the front of the camaro is nice though.

[kevin2323]

Originally Posted by Wm Holden

challenger vs GTO



there is a sled in the video...can you see it??


LOL!

car probably wasn't broken in. Plus the gto should beat it stock for stock by a millimeter. And that gto probably not stock. Nonetheless that driver disgraces the challenger name.

[Beelzebubba]

Your biggest complaint is that the rocker panels are unpainted?


Yeah! Every 5th gen Honda Civic owner knows that painting those rocker panels adds 75 whp!!!

If it bothers you that much, get a black Challenger

[Congoman775]

Originally Posted by kevin2323

Yea those skirts will probably be replaced or painted when I get mine. I was debating going camaro if it was as light as people claimed. But now that I know it is as much as a pig as the challenger, I ordered a 09 challenger because IMO it looks better than the camaro. The camaro looks great but they gave it more lines because it lacks in size. I am talking about muscle car look, it lacks in size. I saw the concept a year ago at an auto show and the camaro turned me off the minute I saw it's size. I know most of you will say well it makes it lighter, but to me big car +big engine=muscle. The camaro is going to be a great car and will beat me car stock and will gain more hp per mod due to lack of aftermarket for the hemi. But I just love the retro look of the challenger and If the tailights of the camamro weren't so fugly (they tried too hard to make it look like the vette) than I would certainly be getting a camaro.:seesaw:

look kevin!!! those 300-400lbs you overlooked would like a word with you!!


(300-400lbs)






As for the reason(s) i dont like the challenger.

a. its built on a sedan platform. we saw this on the charger... which is why the charger is more of a rental car than a muscle car.

b. the thing is a whale. i dont know whether to start it up, or harpoon the thing.

c. its height. being an overly LONG car is one thing, but this car stands too high. it gives off a, im a showcar, not a car to be driven seriously, look.

d. the interior. if i was blindfolded and led into the car, only to be shown the interior. i wouldnt know which dodge i was sitting in. try confusing the interior on a camaro.

e. did i mention its a heffer?

f. the back lights. as cool as i THOUGHT they were in pictures, only parts of the lights even light up. its like, half of them were false imitations of black lights.

g. the fake carbon fiber stripes. on a 42k dollar car. seriously?

[kevin2323]

Originally Posted by Congoman775

look kevin!!! those 300-400lbs you overlooked would like a word with you!!


(300-400lbs)

You mean 227, go back to your sources

Yea 300-400 in your dreams.

[Congoman775]

Originally Posted by kevin2323

You mean 227, go back to your sources

Yea 300-400 in your dreams.

Camaro starts at 3700...


Chally starts at 4000...

goes to 4150....


Am i missing something ?

[kevin2323]

Originally Posted by Congoman775

Camaro starts at 3700...


Chally starts at 4000...

goes to 4150....


Am i missing something ?

you're missing the point. That is all.

You try to argue the whole 300-400 lb argument then when I prove you wrong you move down to the v6 weight lol.

w.e facts are:

both cars were built on existing platforms(lx and zeta to save money)
both have IRS
both used existing engines from existing models.
price of camaro is unknown and might end up being close to the challenger price but it Will be cheaper. But by how much?

the big difference imo is:
the interior of the camaro looks like a ricer with all that plastic imo.
the car is tiny IMO it looks like a saturn sky. rear is too small and so is the front. I am so glad dodge went with the lx because it looks like a true muscle car.
the rear of the camaro looks like a fugly vette, shouldve stuck with the long likes of the old camaro imo.






BTW do some research the challenger starts at 3720 curb weight.

you are still cool though lol.

[Beelzebubba]

Originally Posted by Skyman 08

The challenger rear lacks any imagination, one long tail light in a big oval.. woopie...

Seems like something else used that full length tail light but I can't quite put my finger on it........ hmmmmm



And while we are nitpicking tail lights like a Civic forum trying to decide which Altezzas look best on a 91 Wagovan, the C4 ZR-1 had Vega tail lights.

[Congoman775]

Originally Posted by kevin2323

you're missing the point. That is all.

You try to argue the whole 300-400 lb argument then when I prove you wrong you move down to the v6 weight lol.

w.e facts are:

both cars were built on existing platforms(lx and zeta to save money)
both have IRS
both used existing engines from existing models.
price of camaro is unknown and might end up being close to the challenger price but it Will be cheaper. But by how much?

the big difference imo is:
the interior of the camaro looks like a ricer with all that plastic imo.
the car is tiny IMO it looks like a saturn sky. rear is too small and so is the front. I am so glad dodge went with the lx because it looks like a true muscle car.
the rear of the camaro looks like a fugly vette, shouldve stuck with the long likes of the old camaro imo.






BTW do some research the challenger starts at 3720 curb weight.

you are still cool though lol.

ahhhemm.... ok... here it goes.


A. The challys curb weight is 3720? is that the one with 80 hp?


And when your comparing the V6 it IS 300 - 400 is it not??

B. The Chally's platform is the biggest reason the car will flop and die off before the camaro or the mustang.

it was a mistake and chrysler should have thought about this before making it.

The camaro's Zeta platform is brand new. And it wasnt for saving money, one of the biggest reason's Zeta was made was for Cars like the Camaro... how many years has the 300 and charger been sitting on the challengers?

C. The price of the Camaro WILL be cheaper, GM isnt going under as fast as Dodge is.

D. the interior of the Camaro looks like a ricer... you know... this single handidly might invalidate your entire argument ha.

have you ever even been in a ricer car?? or better yet... have you ever even been in a 69' Camaro??? you know, the one the interior is modled after??

seriously, its almost hard to reply to this, seeing as Dodge gives the world the most bland, PLASTIC, and Boring interior's that you could possibly find in any car.

Its like years ago they drew up the interior on their first car, and the designer died.

"ahh screw it. put it in all the cars. works well enough"

E. The Camaro being a smaller car is one of the best things about it. GM didnt build the Car for YOU any more than they built it for ME. The car is for everyone, and more people preffer to drive cars that dont look like they were born near a radio-active plant.

I dont want to feel like im navigating my ship through traffic when i drive my car, i want to feel like i have more control.

the size of the chally makes it sluggish, unstable, and just horrible looking.

you may argue the older cars were just as big. thats BS. ive seen a 71' chally NEXT to a new one. the new one DWARFs the car. the only resmblance is the headlights and huge rendition of its body style.

F. The rear of the Camaro didnt hit me as being the best aspect of the car when i first saw it either. but honestly, after seeing it for such a long time, i LOVE the back of the car.

The Camaro is such a sexy car its amazing. that really is the best word for the lines on the Camaro. Sexy. its like they used a woman as the motivation towards the lines on this car.

The after burner lights on the Camaro DOMINATE the plastic crap on the back of the chally.

I wish i could say that there was ANY motivation other than, lets throw something together really fast and see if we can make some money off it, for the Dodge execs.

It really looks like a blotched job.


But you know what, its all good. this is all IMO.

[kevin2323]

Lol I could argue you all day but lets agree to disagree.

but to correct you:

the zeta is not new it has been used on other models.
the challenger used lx , an existing platform to save money and save the company. And it looks like gm did the same.
check the market GM is going down faster than chrysler. Chrysler was the only one of the big 3 to make money last quarter. GM stock is great to invest in right now since it is in the crapper.

none of the big three are going under but the least likely to go under right now is chrysler since they actually made money last quarter.

[Congoman775]

Originally Posted by kevin2323

Lol I could argue you all day but lets agree to disagree.

but to correct you:

the zeta is not new it has been used on other models.
the challenger used lx , an existing platform to save money and save the company. And it looks like gm did the same.
check the market GM is going down faster than chrysler. Chrysler was the only one of the big 3 to make money last quarter. GM stock is great to invest in right now since it is in the crapper.

none of the big three are going under but the least likely to go under right now is chrysler since they actually made money last quarter.

Zeta has been used on other models yes, but it was made for the Camaro. Keep in mind, zeta has been out a couple years, but the camaro has been being built for 4.

Chrysler made money because they jumped ship on so much of their junk, not because they are turning it around. That profit was a one time thing. i know stocks. GM is the one to buy, because its low now, but out of the big 3 GM will rebound to be the greatest. id jump on board.

Chrysler is actualy the one that would be the first to go down, mostly because, its the weakest and has very little value. GM and Ford are both heavily backed by alot of very wealthy people who want to see them stay around for a long time.

[kevin2323]

Originally Posted by Congoman775

Zeta has been used on other models yes, but it was made for the Camaro. Keep in mind, zeta has been out a couple years, but the camaro has been being built for 4.

Chrysler made money because they jumped ship on so much of their junk, not because they are turning it around. That profit was a one time thing. i know stocks. GM is the one to buy, because its low now, but out of the big 3 GM will rebound to be the greatest. id jump on board.

Chrysler is actualy the one that would be the first to go down, mostly because, its the weakest and has very little value. GM and Ford are both heavily backed by alot of very wealthy people who want to see them stay around for a long time.

I agree with you on the stocks, GM is the #1 american brand if that goes down what would that say about our country. That is why I have stocks in gm.

And I agree if chrysler does not get into the fuel efficient bandwagon they will plunder. If they go down or not I will have my challenger before!

BTW I have been looking at ford lately and they seem pretty bad, the only thing keeping them alive is the mustang.

[Congoman775]

Originally Posted by kevin2323

I agree with you on the stocks, GM is the #1 american brand if that goes down what would that say about our country. That is why I have stocks in gm.

And I agree if chrysler does not get into the fuel efficient bandwagon they will plunder. If they go down or not I will have my challenger before!

BTW I have been looking at ford lately and they seem pretty bad, the only thing keeping them alive is the mustang.

Get your challenger now, if dodge does go under, imagine the resale value!


Ford is not doing so hot... the mustang is their big seller so expect them to try to make it "all it can be" for this next gen.... otherwise adios fordos

[kevin2323]

Originally Posted by Congoman775

Get your challenger now, if dodge does go under, imagine the resale value!


Ford is not doing so hot... the mustang is their big seller so expect them to try to make it "all it can be" for this next gen.... otherwise adios fordos

lol I am not buying it for resale value.... that would be plain stupid