[Camaro1973]

Originally Posted by MartinLe

Thank you. Now, what about a little rebate?

Do you think I should limit the timing? I am not looking for .001's.

Really depends, no car is the same. But I would say 26-27 degrees with your mods is typical on e50-60. You basically increase timing when you can to hit MBT, or close to it.

I’m not going to critique his tune but there’s many adders that are still in your tune that myself and others usually zero out. On one of your logs I believe it was hitting 28.5 or even 29 at one point at 6700rpm.

I see no real point mixing it to e60 with timing where it is, it’s quite possible in your tune it’s not even increasing past 50%.

[Camaro1973]

Originally Posted by MartinLe

Oh, she sees 28 degrees at 6500. 28.2 at 6800.

Ted's response to my query about the timing was, "what about it?"

My response was, "All the "fellas" say it is excessive."

His response, "All the "fellas" are not professionals."

Gotta love him. I have not heard one negative comment about him. I was more concerned that I may have done something to upset his tune.

I will settle at e50 (yes, Mike) and call it a day.

Ha good boy less worry more driving. Now you can go port injection and make even more with a real low side

[MartinLe]

Originally Posted by Camaro1973

Ha good boy less worry more driving. Now you can go port injection and make even more with a real low side

I am watching Greg install TOOHIGHPSI's PI system. It sure loooks cool.

[RobZL1]

Originally Posted by MartinLe

Oh, she sees 28 degrees at 6500. 28.2 at 6800.

Ted's response to my query about the timing was, "what about it?"

My response was, "All the "fellas" say it is excessive."

His response, "All the "fellas" are not professionals."

Gotta love him. I have not heard one negative comment about him. I was more concerned that I may have done something to upset his tune.

I will settle at e50 (yes, Mike) and call it a day.

Figured that would be the response, which is fine. As I noted, he's comfortable with that level of timing, but most of the other actual professional "fellas" are not running up that high. For some reason, everyone else's dynos seem to stop making power at less total delivered timing on e85. Take it for what it's worth. BUT, since you don't hear of Ted's cars popping pistons or bending rods, I wouldn't worry about it. More than one way to skin a cat, particularly with calibrating GM ECM's.

[MartinLe]

Originally Posted by RobZL1

Figured that would be the response, which is fine. As I noted, he's comfortable with that level of timing, but most of the other actual professional "fellas" are not running up that high. For some reason, everyone else's dynos seem to stop making power at less total delivered timing on e85. Take it for what it's worth. BUT, since you don't hear of Ted's cars popping pistons or bending rods, I wouldn't worry about it. More than one way to skin a cat, particularly with calibrating GM ECM's.

It may sound like it, but I do not argue with him. Plus, unlike many other shops, he will talk to you and secretes be damned.

[LiqTenExp]

I'd say (being my own personal tuner, lol) that 28 is spicy but not stupid on your fuel ethanol content, I'd be interested in seeing how "detuned" your knock sensors are. The SS guys gotta remember our compression is lower on LT4 than LT1 to start with among many other things

For comparison I'm @ around 23-24° @ 7,000 RPM on pump 93 and some 50/50 water meth on my daily driver tune. I've been a couple degrees higher on the dyno to see how it responds with the same octane/meth setup.

[RobZL1]

I'd say 28-30 is definitely on the full spicy end compared to most, based on my limited experience. I usually see guys ending up around 25-27 where they stop picking up any meaningful power on E. But I'm certainly just a "fella" who calibrates stuff and not a professional. That said, I trust myself over many "professional" tunes I've seen. I'd have no issue with Ted tuning my car though!

[MartinLe]

Originally Posted by LiqTenExp

I'd say (being my own personal tuner, lol) that 28 is spicy but not stupid on your fuel ethanol content, I'd be interested in seeing how "detuned" your knock sensors are. The SS guys gotta remember our compression is lower on LT4 than LT1 to start with among many other things

For comparison I'm @ around 23-24° @ 7,000 RPM on pump 93 and some 50/50 water meth on my daily driver tune. I've been a couple degrees higher on the dyno to see how it responds with the same octane/meth setup.

Not meaning anything other than the words, wouldn't that be uncool? It is documented that Ted is not a number chaser. And in my case, there are no numbers to chase. Another poster mentioned that it won't show knock anyway. Please keep in mind that I don't know diddly squat about this shit. Just trying to learn, have a monster car, and not having to replace the motor anytime soon.

[MartinLe]

Originally Posted by RobZL1

I'd say 28-30 is definitely on the full spicy end compared to most, based on my limited experience. I usually see guys ending up around 25-27 where they stop picking up any meaningful power on E. But I'm certainly just a "fella" who calibrates stuff and not a professional. That said, I trust myself over many "professional" tunes I've seen. I'd have no issue with Ted tuning my car though!

Who knows what little shit Ted massages here and there to make his tunes effective and safe. I flog my car every f*#%ing day! These kids with their STi's, and their fathers with Mopars and Mustangs hate me. Granted, I am not in the Mecca of hotrod cars, but I more than hold my own here. If their were weak areas in his tunes, I think they would haver surfaced by now. I feel good behind the wheel of my car. Like you, others would, too.

And, being a "fella" is cool. If it weren't for us, shit, we wouldn't have anything to argue about.

[LiqTenExp]

Originally Posted by MartinLe

Not meaning anything other than the words, wouldn't that be uncool? It is documented that Ted is not a number chaser. And in my case, there are no numbers to chase. Another poster mentioned that it won't show knock anyway. Please keep in mind that I don't know diddly squat about this shit. Just trying to learn, have a monster car, and not having to replace the motor anytime soon.

Wasn't meant to be derogatory towards the tune, was just interested in seeing them to know if you'd be able to trust them to detect when you've gone too far.

Pull a plug for me, let's see where you are really timing wise... take a picture of the strap and where the strap comes off the base of the plug. None of the #s matter, this is the ultimate truth.

[ChadSZL1]

Are you running the DSX low side and the jms voltage booster together?

[MartinLe]

Originally Posted by ChadSZL1

Are you running the DSX low side and the jms voltage booster together?

Nope. Removed the JMS and installed the DSX.

[laynlo15]

I ran 27 degrees on my 16 SS 2650 Maggie with VP MS 109. On my 16 C7 we ran 28, it was an NA bolt on E65. My 2022 Lt1 with Lt2 on E65 we are running 28 total, 23 GM and 5 added for the E65. I don't know what we'll run when we get the Maggie on this car with toohighpsi port injection. We'll find out next week when we get it on the dyno. I'm guessing 26 to 27 on it also.

[red6.2]

timing is high like others are saying. It will Live if your on e50 forsure, but 28 on lt4 is really spicy! If you run that car hard take it easy after doing a 3-4 pulls.