[grampa_ss]

Originally Posted by Soleil

In the installation guide it is mentioned that you should use spark plugs with one heat range colder than stock. Which one do you use?

NGK-6510 LT1 TR7IX-11

[toohighpsi]

Originally Posted by laynlo15

I think you'll find the Magnuson will do everything you want it to do. Makes great hp and torque, no need for a torque converter if you want to go drag racing. If you have hand tools and have mechanical skills you can do the install yourself. It will drive like your stock ride till the hit the throttle and hold on after that.

I'll also add that the magnuson requires no modification to vehicle during installation, when you want to return to stock it is returned completely to stock. the installation manual can be found here.

Magnuson LT1 HeartBeat Camaro DI Supercharger Installation Manual

[DFW1LE]

How do you intend to use the car? That might influence whether you go with a centri or PD supercharger.

[Epx998]

PD all the way. Everyone said on the low end they are u drivable. Not the case, my Magnuson feels completely stock until I romp on it. Then it's like stock with way more power. I'm running the 90mm pulley at around 8-9 psi.

[KingLT1]

PD is more fun for a street car where you utilize the torque more because you are not going WOT every second. Centri has a slight edge for drag racing. Neither the Procharger P1x or Maggie require modding anything on the vehicle so you can return them to stock unscathed. I think the Procharger would be the easiest to install and return to stock, but I also think the Maggie looks cleaner and more OEM under the hood. I don't like how the Centri blowers pull air in right off the driverside manifold. Pros and Cons for each, but mainly Pros for both. I am having a hard time deciding which one I want to go with.

Originally Posted by grampa_ss

NGK-6510 LT1 TR7IX-11

I though 5 was stock heat range? 7 is pretty cold for a street car and will foul much easier...I would probably opt for a 6 heat and tune accordingly.

[Drsagacity]

Originally Posted by Epx998

PD all the way. Everyone said on the low end they are u drivable. Not the case, my Magnuson feels completely stock until I romp on it. Then it's like stock with way more power. I'm running the 90mm pulley at around 8-9 psi.

From a man who knows!

There are two things that are grossly overstated and it happens on both sides of the discussion, generally from people who have never owned or driven the other option. They convinced themselves through strong internet research that they know the answer:

1. PD blowers (Magnuson, Whipple, LT4) have too much torque so they aren't as drivable on the street. This is utter nonsense and spoken only from people with experience from years ago (when tech was much different), or people who bought the story and personally invested in the Centri blower. The PD blowers drive EXACTLY like stock until you mash the pedal and when you mash the pedal, power is there instantly. Only in non-experience does this represent "a problem".

2. The other BS statement is that Turbo and Centri (Procharger, Vortech, Hennessy, Hellion) both suffer from lag. This is another argument that is mostly garbage. If you drive a PD and then drive a centri/turbo, yes you will feel a difference and it will "lag" a little comparitavely. However, if you are only driving a centri/turbo...the lag is almost unnoticeable. In our cars, A8, it's not really an issue. Yes, the centri puts out lower torque numbers early in the RPM range; however, every centri car that wants to go fast adds a converter so that they jump to higher RPM's and get into higher torque levels from a dig.

Bottom line is that all of the blowers are really solid options. My recommendation is to find the tuner/mechanic that you want to work with and follow their advice. In any setup, the tune makes all the difference.

Because I have been through this game a few times, I am perfectly comfortable with using a remote tuner. There are also great remote options with Jannetty as an example.

[Soleil]

First of all thank you so much for all the information. It does not makes it easier but I am learning a lot.

Originally Posted by grampa_ss

NGK-6510 LT1 TR7IX-11

Thank you

Originally Posted by toohighpsi

I'll also add that the magnuson requires no modification to vehicle during installation, when you want to return to stock it is returned completely to stock. the installation manual can be found here.
Magnuson LT1 HeartBeat Camaro DI Supercharger Installation Manual

Thank you a lot of pages to read. Very helpful.

Originally Posted by DFW1LE

How do you intend to use the car? That might influence whether you go with a centri or PD supercharger.

Mostly on the street and of course the German Autobahn and maybe a little track. Ones in a while.

Originally Posted by Drsagacity

From a man who knows!
There are two things that are grossly overstated and it happens on both sides of the discussion, generally from people who have never owned or driven the other option. They convinced themselves through strong internet research that they know the answer:

1. PD blowers (Magnuson, Whipple, LT4) have too much torque so they aren't as drivable on the street. This is utter nonsense and spoken only from people with experience from years ago (when tech was much different), or people who bought the story and personally invested in the Centri blower. The PD blowers drive EXACTLY like stock until you mash the pedal and when you mash the pedal, power is there instantly. Only in non-experience does this represent "a problem".

2. The other BS statement is that Turbo and Centri (Procharger, Vortech, Hennessy, Hellion) both suffer from lag. This is another argument that is mostly garbage. If you drive a PD and then drive a centri/turbo, yes you will feel a difference and it will "lag" a little comparitavely. However, if you are only driving a centri/turbo...the lag is almost unnoticeable. In our cars, A8, it's not really an issue. Yes, the centri puts out lower torque numbers early in the RPM range; however, every centri car that wants to go fast adds a converter so that they jump to higher RPM's and get into higher torque levels from a dig.

Bottom line is that all of the blowers are really solid options. My recommendation is to find the tuner/mechanic that you want to work with and follow their advice. In any setup, the tune makes all the difference.

Because I have been through this game a few times, I am perfectly comfortable with using a remote tuner. There are also great remote options with Jannetty as an example.

Wow
But you have to enlighten me about the acronyms. What does PD, BS mean?
I like to keep the stock looks. with that having said and your perfect explanation I think I narrow it down to Magnuson or LT4. And I have a good feeling with Laynlo15.
The thing is, I will install it by my self. For the final tune I am going to my local tuner.

[toohighpsi]

Where in Germany? I'll admit to being more than slightly addicted to the autobahn (and Oktoberfest ). I'm normally in Europe at least once a year and quite often go out of my way to spend time on the German asphalt whenever possible.

One of my favorites is from Berlin to Dresden, amazing how slow 140kph (87mph in limited zone) feels after 20-30 mins sustained at 255+Kph (160mph)...

Keeps me smiling for at least a month or so afterwards.

[misterjaayy]

LT4 with roto fab is my recommendation. It’s less expensive than a Maggie and you still can make great power with it. The Maggie gives you a little more room to grow with the bigger blower but that’s only if you’re trying to go past 700whp. If you’re going to just daily it with pulls here and there I think the LT4 is a no brainer.

[Soleil]

Originally Posted by toohighpsi

Where in Germany?
One of my favorites is from Berlin to Dresden, amazing how slow 140kph (87mph in limited zone) feels after 20-30 mins sustained at 255+Kph (160mph)...
Keeps me smiling for at least a month or so afterwards.

I life close to Frankfurt am Main. More central to west of Germany. Not the one east of Berlin.
Yep, the A13 is like a runway

Originally Posted by misterjaayy

LT4 with roto fab is my recommendation. It’s less expensive than a Maggie and you still can make great power with it. The Maggie gives you a little more room to grow with the bigger blower but that’s only if you’re trying to go past 700whp. If you’re going to just daily it with pulls here and there I think the LT4 is a no brainer.

Hmmmm, sounds interesting. I need more information. How much Hp you can generate with the LT4. My goal ist somewhere between 550-650 Hp. (At the crank) the thing with rotofab is that I have to go through our technical control board and they are normaly not amused about that. changing the air system is like declare war on them.

[misterjaayy]

Originally Posted by Soleil

I life close to Frankfurt am Main. More central to west of Germany. Not the one east of Berlin.
Yep, the A13 is like a runway

Hmmmm, sounds interesting. I need more information. How much Hp you can generate with the LT4. My goal ist somewhere between 550-650 Hp. (At the crank) the thing with rotofab is that I have to go through our technical control board and they are normaly not amused about that. changing the air system is like declare war on them.

600whp and 600torq are just about the norm with LT4 blower and roto fab depending on what octane you’re running. 575ish without the intake. You can go higher with other upgrades. The search feature can answer a lot of your questions. These are a couple of the LT4 blower threads.

https://www.camaro6.com/forums/showt...&highlight=Adm

https://www.camaro6.com/forums/showt...&highlight=Adm

https://www.camaro6.com/forums/showt...&highlight=Adm

[16CamaroSS]

Originally Posted by grampa_ss

The Procharger is NOT a turbo, it's a centrifugal supercharger. My Procharger is getting installed as I type this.

Getting my Procharger installed at the same time. Might get it back tomorrow...maybe next week.

[MR 45TH]

Originally Posted by Drsagacity

Bottom line is that all of the blowers are really solid options. My recommendation is to find the tuner/mechanic that you want to work with and follow their advice. In any setup, the tune makes all the difference.

This needs to be a sticky at the top of this forum!

[Drsagacity]

Originally Posted by Soleil

First of all thank you so much for all the information. It does not makes it easier but I am learning a lot.

Thank you

Thank you a lot of pages to read. Very helpful.

Mostly on the street and of course the German Autobahn and maybe a little track. Ones in a while.

Wow
But you have to enlighten me about the acronyms. What does PD, BS mean?
I like to keep the stock looks. with that having said and your perfect explanation I think I narrow it down to Magnuson or LT4. And I have a good feeling with Laynlo15.
The thing is, I will install it by my self. For the final tune I am going to my local tuner.

I am biased because that bastard, Laynlo, enabled my illness which was in remission. I am a modaholic. He’s a very sick individual because he is addicted to speed. But, he will never steer you wrong...

“PD” is positive displacement supercharger. “Centri”, is short for centrifugal.

PD - blowers sit on top of the motor and replace the intake manifold.
Centri - blowers have a little shell looking device, just like a turbo and it sits in front of the motor.

After having multiple different setups, I am really enjoying the magnuson more than the other blowers I have had, but in fairness, the 8-speed auto may be a real contributing factor. Here is a good link that explains the difference. http://ackthud.com/shawnfogg/cs_vs_pd.htm

The reason I chose the magnuson over the LT4 blower is because of upside. The LT4 blower is cheaper. However, there is also a reason why ZL1’s and Z06’s pull them off in favor of the more capable blowers like Magnuson. I like the idea of a blower that isn’t pushed to its max capability...better said, the Magnuson doesn’t have to work as hard to generate the same boost.

As a modaholic, I know it’s easy to say, I only want 550rwhp, but guess what, the shit never stops...with a Magnuson, you aren’t going to be restricted to what you can do...

Anyway...Laynlo is a great example because he probably has the fewest mods on the fast list. No doubt he will run in the 9’s with a stock motor, stock exhaust, stock transmission...but he is adding fuel/octane. Kind of speaks to the Magnuson’s capability.