[Danny80027]

has anyone experienced an issue with installing a K&N Performance Intake on your SS, specifically with the stock tune ? Thanks

[cellsafemode]

Originally Posted by SuperSound

The results were on the first page. It wasn't about dyno numbers or comparisons to other units (which there are separate threads for). TSloper posted hard data about how it affects the MAF readings. But you are right, CAI aren't good for much power anymore, but they do once you start adding other items and tuning.

what i saw was just a change in 10g/s. That doesn't tell me what the power output is, especially after the ECU has had time with it. The extra air flow may get tuned out or maybe it ends up running on the leaner side or maybe it helps? who knows but that info wasn't provided.

I'd hazard a guess that you'd see similar improvements in air flow just with a drop-in.

[SuperSound]

Extensive discussion of the K&N here. Will save you some reading, K&N gains are pure fantasy that lack actual proof. Hell even the GM Performance Intake doesn't mention any gains and looks much better. Don't expect gains from a CAI with a stock car. Better off spending money elsewhere if you want more power.

And as far as I know, no one has bought a K&N CAI here. That speaks volumes.

http://www.camaro6.com/forums/showth...ighlight=K%26N

[cooden]

What exactly are you planning to do performance wise to the vehicle? A well trusted GM tuner that is based in Rochester, NY bought a '16 Camaro SS for testing said that they aren't even going to make an intake for it due to the factory one doing a good job. LethalHammer tested the K&N drop in filter and has the dyno results that gave almost 5hp & 5lbs torque--it was more than the CAI & Mishimoto intakes.

Personally, I'm doing the K&N drop in and the Corsa Xtreme axle-back. Maybe in the future, I might (that's might) throw a supercharger on it.

[Danny80027]

Thanks again folks. I'll share out the strip time results before and after I install the K&N Performance Intake, Headers and mufflers.

Here's an interesting article on CIA's for your reading pleasure ;

http://www.superchevy.com/how-to/eng...-combinations/

[Danny80027]

http://www.superchevy.com/how-to/100...amaro-intakes/

oops, here's the correct link to article

[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by Danny80027

i agree, speaks volumes to street tuners on a blog website. Although, for us older dudes...K&N has a proven record on the "track" for many years. ; > )

Ha good luck with minimal gains based on a marketing ploy. If you want to spend $400 on 5HP from a filter (which you can get from the drop-in) then watch that HP disappear because of heat soak, go ahead. Because you know everyone one this site knows nothing or hasn't been in performance for decades either. Don't K&N stickers add HP too?

[Hyper16]

Originally Posted by SuperSound

Ha good luck with minimal gains based on a marketing ploy. If you want to spend $400 on 5HP from a filter (which you can get from the drop-in) then watch that HP disappear because of heat soak, go ahead. Because you know everyone one this site knows nothing or hasn't been in performance for decades either. Don't K&N stickers add HP too?

LOL I turned the RotoFab plate around and put on the red logo. That gets me about 10 hp right?

[freddyD]

[JFM-jr]

I've been reading on this site for many months now. "If" it were me buying a cold air intake it would without any question be a Rotofab unit. Tim (TSloper) is a data collector and takes extreme interest in what is going on with the motor thru data. He understands the ECU and tuning very well and is always willing to share and help others. When he gives advice in a thread you can usually be sure his opinion has some past experience and solid information behind it. Folks like him make this forum a great asset

[cellsafemode]

Originally Posted by JFM-jr

I've been reading on this site for many months now. "If" it were me buying a cold air intake it would without any question be a Rotofab unit. Tim (TSloper) is a data collector and takes extreme interest in what is going on with the motor thru data. He understands the ECU and tuning very well and is always willing to share and help others. When he gives advice in a thread you can usually be sure his opinion has some past experience and solid information behind it. Folks like him make this forum a great asset

It's good to trust logical testing and the people who do it. But nobody has done any real testing on multiple intakes that I've seen so the efficacy of one or not doesn't have any bearing on any other.

Rotofab's intake results in about 1% less back pressure from the graphs linked and that could equate to as much as 1% in recovered performance. The most judging from those numbers that can possibly be recovered by reducing air resistance is 4-5%. Since that is determined by ambient air pressure (around 101-102 kpa at around sea level)

What I didn't see in there was IAT which is also something that someone might consider when shopping for an intake since they can directly effect how heat soak is dealt with. IE. steel/aluminum tubes will absorband transmit heat different from a strong insulator like plastic. Heat shields can deflect heat and/or further insulate the intake air.

It's a slow start to the gen 6 aftermarket game and I really doubt there's going to be any definitive word on products that are toying with the < 5% improvement area.

[Roto-fab 1]

Originally Posted by TSloper

Cancel the order and go with the Rotofab.

Take it off before dealer visits if you are going in with powertrain issues.

Originally Posted by SuperSound

^listen to this guy

K&N is unproven junk. Tim (TSloper) is our resident tuning expert and has personally tested the Rotofab unit. If he recommends it, you want it.

Originally Posted by TSloper

I'm not pitching Rotofab based on some personal emotional preference. It is the only intake out there, that through real world end user logging, we know does not skew the MAF output. CAI and Mishimoto both skew the MAF readings which will cause you headaches if you pursue further bolt on modifications and do not tune for the situation.

If you feel compelled to burn new ground it's your choice but just looking at the photos of the K&N it is already inferior.

Rotofab has been out for a while. It sounds like the website needs an update.

Originally Posted by JFM-jr

I've been reading on this site for many months now. "If" it were me buying a cold air intake it would without any question be a Rotofab unit. Tim (TSloper) is a data collector and takes extreme interest in what is going on with the motor thru data. He understands the ECU and tuning very well and is always willing to share and help others. When he gives advice in a thread you can usually be sure his opinion has some past experience and solid information behind it. Folks like him make this forum a great asset

Roto-fab offers the best performing system available for all practical purposes.

Below are a few dyno sheets. While the dyno doesn't tell the whole story, forum members have agreed, the Roto-fab CAI is the right choice for any Camaro owner.

Performance on an otherwise stock Camaro SS:


+12 HP, +13 ft-lb tq.




Supercharged Camaro SS:

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Roto-fab gains 40+ HP over the stock intake! We have seen similar gains on multiple supercharged builds.


ZL1, Roto-fab CAI. 2016 Camaro SS, Magnuson Heartbeat supercharger, Roto-fab CAI

I will post more information in the morning, if you have any questions please let me know. Thanks everyone for your interest and opinions on the Roto-fab CAI.

With sincere appreciation,
Michael

[Roto-fab 1]

Originally Posted by Danny80027

I'm getting ready to order the K&N Performance Intake kit 63-3092 for my 16SS and i was wondering if the aftermarket installation will void the manufactures warranty? please advise, Thanks guys

Originally Posted by TSloper

Cancel the order and go with the Rotofab.

Take it off before dealer visits if you are going in with powertrain issues.

Danny80027,

If you are still considering the CAI options, please send me a PM and we can cover more of the benefits of the Roto-fab system.

Thanks for your interest!
Michael

[cellsafemode]

This thread is kinda hilarious.

Nobody is knocking rotofab. The thread is in regards to a different product though and so far nobody has provided any testing on it or evidence that it does or doesn't benefit over stock ...much less how it compares to other CAI's. Nor has there been any postings regarding a apples to apples comparison of various currently available CAI's for the gen 6 camaro.

Get it, test it, compare it. Then decide to be aggravated when someone ignores the data.