[SS 1LE]

The term "hybrid" is one of the misunderstood words out there lately. Most seem to think hybrid just means good mileage, economy car, and things like that. All hybrid means is a mix of two or more things basically. Yes, a hybrid car is usually to gain mileage and stuff of that nature like the Prius. But, on the other had it can be used as a "boost' of sorts like the Porsche 918 does, or as a way to power all of the accessories and such like in the LaFerrari. I would rather not have all the extra "stuff" associated with a hybrid powertrain, but if it was used to supplement a nice V8 or something cool, I would be open to it...

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by DGthe3

I'd say its extremely unlikely that there will be a 'super hybrid' Camaro. That type of technology is little more than a gimmick to comply with regulations. For an equal investment put into a conventional powertrain, you could get a better performing car.

If the Camaro is going to get a hybrid system, its most likely going to be a mild belt-alternator-starter system. These systems are cheap to implement and add about a 10% boost to fuel economy. They are the best bang for the buck in electrification. Plus they add minimal weight so it doesn't bring down 'conventional' performance much. In fact, I'd be surprised if the 7th gen doesn't feature a mild hybrid system on at least the 4 cylinder versions. I'd even expect it on the V6s but maybe not the V8s.



The charge density of Li-ion batteries is certainly a big improvement over lead-acid from 40 years ago. But what of the advancements made in the internal combustion engine in those same 40 years? Horsepower has tripled and fuel economy has doubled while harmful pollutants are now nearly non-existent in gasoline engines.

And as for the improvements in EVs ... most of it has been just throwing an enormous amount of battery capacity into the car. The 85 kW battery (made of relatively light lithium-ion cells) in the Tesla Model S weighs nearly as much as the entire CitiCar. Add a thousand pounds of lead-acid battery to that thing and you could give it a lot more power (quicker, more driveable) and still have a much longer range than 50 miles.


The Volt is a hybrid at any speed, even when its parked. Its powertrain can use 2 difference sources of power. The usage mix of one to the other at any given moment is irrelevant. A car designed to run on hydrogen and hamster wheels would also a hybrid. Ditto if it had a multifuel jet turbine engine and rocket thrust from compressed air tanks. Still a hybrid.

Believe me I understand your point. But the Volt "operates" as an EV for the full performance range until the battery is depleted. You could remove the engine and still have a drivable car for the full performance envelope. A Prius for example can operate in this mode as well but only if you don't accelerate hard or don't drive high speeds. It needs its engine to have full functionality.

So you are correct all in the Vilt is a hybrid as it has two propulsion systems.

[mcsoul]

It's all fun and games until a generation's worth of vehicular Lithium-Ion batteries have to be disposed of in the ground.

[Thor142]

Some of you guys are talking like lithium ion is the be all end all. It's not. It's already on the cusp of being "old tech"

http://futurism.com/scientists-devel...anks-graphene/

[HumanWiki]

Originally Posted by Thor142

Some of you guys are talking like lithium ion is the be all end all. It's not. It's already on the cusp of being "old tech"

http://futurism.com/scientists-devel...anks-graphene/

That's why I stopped replying when my comment about strides being made was ignored.

Yup. LIon is reaching peak and will need to be augmented or replaced with something else. Just like NiMH and Alkaline before them (and some other short lived solutions).

Also, people are ignoring the growth rates for tech are not always linear and not even exponential. Sometimes, we hit a breakthrough that causes a large surge, then we plateau and stagnate at times. Then some reasonable trending growth etc.

Hell, some things we take for granted now were discovered entirely by accident (like microwave ovens). We didn't set out to invent a microwave oven. We stumbled upon the interactions by doing something else.

Medical tech has also come along, so while people are only living to X now, there's nothing to say that won't be up by 40% or more by the time someone like me reaches the age of death for 2016.

It's just overly short sighted and shows of limited expanded thinking in terms of what is possible.

There's even tech that's yet to be thought of because we simply don't know that's how thing X or Y will work together.

Sure EV may not be to the point of being overall more functional than ICE, but that's not the only reason it would replace ICE. People are ignoring that there are entirely unrelated reasons, like regulations or resource limitation, or power/control changes, unforeseen horrific locale disaster etc. that could force ICE to die prematurely. That's no less relevant in the discussions about the long term of ICE itself and the future of EV.

Maybe onboard storage isn't the full solution? Maybe we invest in short-range on-the-go charging for major long haul routes that continuously charge the onboard systems. Maybe we get the efficiently ratings down such that the road itself is capable of powering the movement while trickle charging the onboard? Maybe we hit another major milestone in flexible solar cells and power generation? Maybe the next cars have a carbon fiber looking weave that's actually a power delivery system from the sunlight. Maybe that gets expanded with thermoelectric power creation, so now your car is absorbing all the ambient heat energy, along with the photovoltaic systems, that couple with short-range oscillating magnetic fields from the interstate and advancements in battery tech are now all you need for a 500+ mi range, 100% emissions free EV that has less weight and more over all capability than your ICE car AND even has power to spare.

There is a ton of untapped and unharnessed energy all around. We need only figure out a way to access it.

You're also limiting yourselves to thinking in 3-dim terms and there's nothing to say that there's not more. You see in 3-dim and perceive 1 of time. But, that's simply because that's our limit. If you were looking down at a square, you'd see it in its entirety, but something constrained to the 2-dim nature of the square would see you as nothing more than an ever changing line segment passing through its known universe. Just as a 2-dim object would appear as a changing point in a 1-dim universe. We're just able to look down at each of these and know they're limited, but there's nothing to say that we ourselves aren't stuck in 3-dim of a 4, 5, 6, 11, etc. -dim universe. Such truth would have interesting consequences on the nature of reality and propulsion itself. It would also have interesting options for sources of energy.

It could very well be that the reason things like entanglement work the way they do is because the two seemingly disconnected particles actually aren't disconnected at all. They're simply showing as separate and distant because their connective piece exists in an inaccessible to us realm, much like if you touched two of your fingers down on the same square. Your fingers look to be distinct and unrelated to 2D, but are very much the same entity in 3D.

[Thor142]

AWESOME post H.W.

[HumanWiki]

Originally Posted by Thor142

AWESOME post H.W.

[FenwickHockey65]

Just saying, the idea of a Camaro "Hybrid" was thrown around for the 6th gen using GM's eAssist system. It didn't pan out obviously.