[justa25thTA]

Originally Posted by Ruin

Ok.... so the SUV parks first. Not illegally. Then the cars park secondly. Not illegally. However, they have just made it impossible for the SUV owner to access and use his vehicle. Which, I'm pretty certain, there's laws against that for such an occasion - double parked? I would call the police and verify my rights. They'd probably send out a unit to try and find the owners of the other two cars, get them to move them and issue verbal or written warnings. Personally, I'd try to deny the officer's presence and just go straight to towing them.

My parking harmed no one. Your parking is denying me access and use of my own personal property. It has surpassed inconvenience and has become an outright denial of use of MY property. For such things, there are punishments. I'm an ass, I prefer to have you towed. Mine was a victimless crime of societal standards. Yours is a crime in which I am the victim and breaks some kind of statute somewhere. There is an unneccesary escalation here from "that guy's a jerk" to breaking the law. Just like the double-space issue and keying cars. A minor inconvenience has been raised to vandalism.

Because, I've never understood how someone's parking is an "invitation" to cause any kind of harm. What sick satisfaction do people get by doing things like this? So that SUV is parked awkwardly? Big whoop. But as Cristoff reminds us... you never know who you're messing with. I'm not a 6'7" muscle man, but I am an asshole with a smartphone, and I know how to find a tow-truck and a police officer to aid me in making your life miserable while protecting myself and my rights. Your punishment does not fit my crime. My punishment will fit your crime. Deny me access to my property because you're on some self righteous act of rebellion (and that's your motive), and I will see to it that you learn there's a time and a place. And neither one involves me or my property.



/rant

who did what to whom and when? The douche is a douche, maybe he didn't break any laws maybe he did. The car that is parked in the front didn't block him from moving his douch SUV, if the car was parked before the others. The cars in the rear didn't block him either. It was the combination of them all. So, who got there first and who was at fault again?

[Steve Dallas]

Oh, and be careful...this just happened in Seattle:

[Steve Dallas]

Ruin...my whole point is...why put yourself into that position? I'm not saying it's right to key a car...it isn't. I'm not saying it's right to block someone in....it isn't.

But it also isn't right to park like a jackass. Why do it? I understand people are concerned about their cars. I am too. But I don't give ANYONE a reason to do something to my car.

People still might ding my door, whether I'm parked in 2 spots or one. But by parking in 2 spots or in such a douchebag way only INVITES people to do stuff to the car. I'm eliminating those threats by parking correctly...and only risk the other idiots at that point.

My whole point is that by parking like a douchebag, you increase your chances of bad stuff happening to your car. I think the goal here is to try to prevent that, but you aren't when you park these ways.

[TOMS1SS]

Originally Posted by Steve Dallas

Oh, and be careful...this just happened in Seattle:

Dweeb? Wow that's a little rough don't you think?

[Ruin]

Originally Posted by justa25thTA

who did what to whom and when? The douche is a douche, maybe he didn't break any laws maybe he did. The car that is parked in the front didn't block him from moving his douch SUV, if the car was parked before the others. The cars in the rear didn't block him either. It was the combination of them all. So, who got there first and who was at fault again?

Fair.

My example assumes the SUV parked there first with no other vehicles present to block is ability to come and go as the owner pleases.

So... the car up front and the car immediately behind it at the very least are at fault. That third one on the far end behind him might be, but it appears they at least *tried* to leave some room for the SUV to move, so I'd let them slide.

[Lou_Dorchen]

Originally Posted by Ruin

Which, I'm pretty certain, there's laws against that for such an occasion - double parked? I would call the police and verify my rights. They'd probably send out a unit to try and find the owners of the other two cars, get them to move them and issue verbal or written warnings. Personally, I'd try to deny the officer's presence and just go straight to towing them.

but I am an asshole with a smartphone, and I know how to find a tow-truck and a police officer to aid me in making your life miserable while protecting myself and my rights. Your punishment does not fit my crime. My punishment will fit your crime.

The only law I know of involving parking is parking in a Handicapped spot without a permit to do so.

As to being an asshole, you can be an asshole all you want and call as many cops as you want. It's on private property, and no one is getting towed unless the owner (or manager) tells the police to tow them. This is a civil matter, not a criminal matter.

[irocnroll]

Originally Posted by Ruin

Ok.... so the SUV parks first. Not illegally. Then the cars park secondly. Not illegally. However, they have just made it impossible for the SUV owner to access and use his vehicle. Which, I'm pretty certain, there's laws against that for such an occasion - double parked? I would call the police and verify my rights. They'd probably send out a unit to try and find the owners of the other two cars, get them to move them and issue verbal or written warnings. Personally, I'd try to deny the officer's presence and just go straight to towing them.

My parking harmed no one. Your parking is denying me access and use of my own personal property. It has surpassed inconvenience and has become an outright denial of use of MY property. For such things, there are punishments. I'm an ass, I prefer to have you towed. Mine was a victimless crime of societal standards. Yours is a crime in which I am the victim and breaks some kind of statute somewhere. There is an unneccesary escalation here from "that guy's a jerk" to breaking the law. Just like the double-space issue and keying cars. A minor inconvenience has been raised to vandalism.

Because, I've never understood how someone's parking is an "invitation" to cause any kind of harm. What sick satisfaction do people get by doing things like this? So that SUV is parked awkwardly? Big whoop. But as Cristoff reminds us... you never know who you're messing with. I'm not a 6'7" muscle man, but I am an asshole with a smartphone, and I know how to find a tow-truck and a police officer to aid me in making your life miserable while protecting myself and my rights. Your punishment does not fit my crime. My punishment will fit your crime. Deny me access to my property because you're on some self righteous act of rebellion (and that's your motive), and I will see to it that you learn there's a time and a place. And neither one involves me or my property.



/rant

Telephone Tough Guy

[Steve Dallas]

Originally Posted by irocnroll

Telephone Tough Guy

Also, as someone else & I stated...he can call all he wants. No one is going to tow anything unless the owner of the PRIVATE PROPERTY comes out and asks that it is towed.

And, that person is more likely to try to find the owners of the cars blocking and try to resolve the issue.

Meanwhile, everyone is going to know how much of a douchebag YOU were because you parked that way to begin with, and are all probably laughing at you for putting yourself in that position. And laughing more because you thought you could get the cars towed.

/egg on face yet?

[Ruin]

Originally Posted by Lou_Dorchen

The only law I know of involving parking is parking in a Handicapped spot without a permit to do so.

As to being an asshole, you can be an asshole all you want and call as many cops as you want. It's on private property, and no one is getting towed unless the owner (or manager) tells the police to tow them. This is a civil matter, not a criminal matter.

I want to check into this. It seems like one of those odd situations because it goes beyond just violating a "no parking" sign or something. Gotta do some research.

Originally Posted by irocnroll

Telephone Tough Guy

Internet Tough Guy? Good to see we can all "what if?" a situation and not get personal... same to the comment below.

Brains solve the problems muscles create.

Originally Posted by Steve Dallas

Also, as someone else & I stated...he can call all he wants. No one is going to tow anything unless the owner of the PRIVATE PROPERTY comes out and asks that it is towed.

And, that person is more likely to try to find the owners of the cars blocking and try to resolve the issue.

Meanwhile, everyone is going to know how much of a douchebag YOU were because you parked that way to begin with, and are all probably laughing at you for putting yourself in that position. And laughing more because you thought you could get the cars towed.

/egg on face yet?

Allow me to put up my disclaimer since we're having issues. I never have, nor would I ever, park like the above SUV. I'm simply enjoying the discussion of how the situation could be handled.

So, no. No egg on face. At all. Or ever. This is a problem solving exercise for me based on my feelings regarding the situation.

Presented with these new problems (i.e.: being on private property) I want to do so more research and see what the law really says.


More later...

[motorhead]

The guy in the SUV should carry a set of these if he's going to park like that.

[PoorMansCamaro]

Originally Posted by motorhead

The guy in the SUV should carry a set of these if he's going to park like that.

that would be hilarious. and instead of moving his car, he should just move the other cars.

[SleepWarz]

Originally Posted by Ruin

Fair.

My example assumes the SUV parked there first with no other vehicles present to block is ability to come and go as the owner pleases.

So... the car up front and the car immediately behind it at the very least are at fault. That third one on the far end behind him might be, but it appears they at least *tried* to leave some room for the SUV to move, so I'd let them slide.

Even if you parked first why cant you follow the parking pattern? Rather than trying to park for your own convienince of coming and going.

[Ivas]

Similar, though less egregious, parking irregularities occur in my apartment complex parking lot often. When it involves my Camaro or my S-10 pickup, I simply go door to door and ask, in my most polite Spanish, whether the blocking vehicle is theirs. Once found, the owner always just as politely apologizes, in Spanish, and moves his/her car.

On a few occasions, the parker has insisted on my accepting a cold beer as a peace offering, as well. It's all good, no arguments at all.

[Steve Dallas]

Originally Posted by Ruin

I want to check into this. It seems like one of those odd situations because it goes beyond just violating a "no parking" sign or something. Gotta do some research.



Internet Tough Guy? Good to see we can all "what if?" a situation and not get personal... same to the comment below.

Brains solve the problems muscles create.

Allow me to put up my disclaimer since we're having issues. I never have, nor would I ever, park like the above SUV. I'm simply enjoying the discussion of how the situation could be handled.

So, no. No egg on face. At all. Or ever. This is a problem solving exercise for me based on my feelings regarding the situation.

Presented with these new problems (i.e.: being on private property) I want to do so more research and see what the law really says.

More later...

As with all discussions, I take nothing personally, nor really try to give offense, except to disparage the behavior itself. My descriptions are pointedly towards those that actually do this, not those that don't. Glad to hear you don't. I think people that park like this are in the same category as those that drive in the left lane without pulling over....ei: Self centered jackasses. If the shoe fits...

Would I block someone in?

In my Impala, I have parked within inches of another car that was in a full parking lot, and parked with the left tires ON the white line. I was parked to his left, and the car to my left wasn't on the line, but was close...so I needed a little room to open my door. Note that the car to my right had tons of room on his right side (about 2 feet to the white line), and the other car next to him was parked correctly.

The guy came into the sub shop about 15 minutes later looking for who parked next to him. I got up, let him know it was me...and moved the car. I did mention that I had no other way to really park, and that he was way over the line, and he looked sheepish and didn't say anything.