[IOMike]

Originally Posted by lpe403

I don't think an LT2 or LT3 is in the cards:

We know updated LT engines are in the works most likely for the new 2019 trucks and that they will have dynamic skip fire. I assume they will be in the Corvettes and Camaro too.


What we don't know is if they will make more power.

[camaro5]

Originally Posted by IOMike

We know updated LT engines are in the works most likely for the new 2019 trucks and that they will have dynamic skip fire. I assume they will be in the Corvettes and Camaro too.


What we don't know is if they will make more power.

That's some cool technology!

The Delphi-Tula Dynamic Skip Fire (DSF) Cylinder Deactivation System is an industry-leading, fully variable engine displacement technology.
It combines Delphi cylinder deactivation hardware with an engine control strategy that fires each cylinder only as necessary during each engine revolution,
depending on engine torque demand.
Fundamental control algorithms are provided by Tula Technology, Inc.

The Delphi-Tula DSF System significantly improves engine efficiency and reduces fuel consumption by firing fewer cylinders at lower torque loads to reduce pumping and heat losses.
It also reduces noise, vibration and harshness by dynamically choosing firing sequences that avoid vehicle and driver resonance frequencies.

https://www.delphi.com/manufacturers...ivation-system

[Zeke.Malvo]

Originally Posted by camaro5

That's some cool technology!

How much more hp and mpg gains will it need to make in order for it to to qualify as "significant" in the gain in efficiency and fuel consumption? 25 hp / 5 mpg?

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[kttxz06]

Originally Posted by Bhobbs

Or, it just sets up the next generation for an even bigger deal. GM has yet to beat the GT500 in power, not to mention the Hellcat, Demon and future GT500.

Nothing a tune, intake, and pulley swap can't handle. Considering the GT500, if it comes out will easily run $125k. Don't care too much for the Dodge brand as they are heavy pigs and can only do 1 thing correctly. I'd take a Zl1 all day, tune, intake and pulley swap it and call it a day. It eat all those other cars mentioned. Just my .02. Plus, it looks better. Looks are subjective, I get it. Not to mention it's quite budget friendly.

[Bhobbs]

Originally Posted by kttxz06

Nothing a tune, intake, and pulley swap can't handle. Considering the GT500, if it comes out will easily run $125k. Don't care too much for the Dodge brand as they are heavy pigs and can only do 1 thing correctly. I'd take a Zl1 all day, tune, intake and pulley swap it and call it a day. It eat all those other cars mentioned. Just my .02. Plus, it looks better. Looks are subjective, I get it. Not to mention it's quite budget friendly.

Yeah, and the same mods will keep the GT500 in front.

How do you figure the GT500 will cost $125k?

[1slowssm6]

Originally Posted by Bhobbs

Yeah, and the same mods will keep the GT500 in front.

How do you figure the GT500 will cost $125k?

because the gt350 was $60kish and sold for $90k-$100k lol why would ford not basically make the same happen for the gt500? IF there is a gt500,ive heard rumours for like 3 years now,still no gt500 to be seen

[gringo]

Originally Posted by kttxz06

Nothing a tune, intake, and pulley swap can't handle. Considering the GT500, if it comes out will easily run $125k. Don't care too much for the Dodge brand as they are heavy pigs and can only do 1 thing correctly. I'd take a Zl1 all day, tune, intake and pulley swap it and call it a day. It eat all those other cars mentioned. Just my .02. Plus, it looks better. Looks are subjective, I get it. Not to mention it's quite budget friendly.

That ZL1 can't fit more than two people unless the other two are amputees. It's basically a slightly cheaper alternative to the Z06 Corvette.

You have to give Dodge a lot of props. They've created the modern muscle car out of what is basically an old Mercedes E-class platform with a legendary nameplate attached to it. Straightline performance still rules the stoplight/drag/brag races and the new Demon triumps all.

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by 1slowssm6

because the gt350 was $60kish and sold for $90k-$100k lol why would ford not basically make the same happen for the gt500? IF there is a gt500,ive heard rumours for like 3 years now,still no gt500 to be seen

That's on the dealers not Ford.

[KMPrenger]

Originally Posted by Zeke.Malvo

How much more hp and mpg gains will it need to make in order for it to to qualify as "significant" in the gain in efficiency and fuel consumption? 25 hp / 5 mpg?

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25HP....sure.

But 5mpg resulting from just an engine re-design would be a mind blowing game changer. I'm going to assume it could result in the engine being somewhere around 10 - 20 percent more efficient, resulting in maybe 1 or 2 mpg in real world testing.

[Bhobbs]

Originally Posted by 1slowssm6

because the gt350 was $60kish and sold for $90k-$100k lol why would ford not basically make the same happen for the gt500? IF there is a gt500,ive heard rumours for like 3 years now,still no gt500 to be seen

Ford isn’t responsible for what dealers add to the MSRP.

[TunaMelt]

Originally Posted by gringo

That ZL1 can't fit more than two people unless the other two are amputees. It's basically a slightly cheaper alternative to the Z06 Corvette.

You have to give Dodge a lot of props. They've created the modern muscle car out of what is basically an old Mercedes E-class platform with a legendary nameplate attached to it. Straightline performance still rules the stoplight/drag/brag races and the new Demon triumps all.

Dodge makes some really cool cars that are probably the best daily drivers of the whole bunch. A Hellcat or SRT will be the next move when kids come along.

[SpeedIsLife]

Originally Posted by 1slowssm6

because the gt350 was $60kish and sold for $90k-$100k lol why would ford not basically make the same happen for the gt500? IF there is a gt500,ive heard rumours for like 3 years now,still no gt500 to be seen

You're higher than a kite if you believe the GT500, if one appears for the S550 generation, will push past even $75,000.

Ford doesn't make a single penny from ADM. Limited production does help make sure there is a higher demand than supply, thus promising eventual sales, but they don't benefit from ADM.

[camaro5]

Originally Posted by Zeke.Malvo

How much more hp and mpg gains will it need to make in order for it to to qualify as "significant" in the gain in efficiency and fuel consumption? 25 hp / 5 mpg?

No evidence that skip fire will increase hp - it's AFM Deluxe

However:

Rumor has it General Motors is also working on a 6.2-liter small-block V8 christened the LT2,
essentially a better version of the LT1, with around 500 horsepower on tap.

Will the mid-engined 2019 Chevrolet Corvette (C8) get it first?
Oh well, only time will tell if the rumor turns out to be true.

https://www.autoevolution.com/news/2...t7-107508.html

We have heard that GM is planning to offer the Corvette C8 with three different powertrains.

These will include the engines codenamed LT2, LT6 and LT7, with one of them being a hybrid powertrain.

http://www.carscoops.com/2017/08/mid...pied-gets.html

LT7 is the hybrid

Originally Posted by KMPrenger

25HP....sure.

But 5mpg resulting from just an engine re-design would be a mind blowing game changer. I'm going to assume it could result in the engine being somewhere around 10 - 20 percent more efficient, resulting in maybe 1 or 2 mpg in real world testing.

Benefits
Independent control of each cylinder enables broader and smoother torque management capability, and provides full control of cylinder firing while maintaining optimal emissions

10% to 20% fuel economy improvement
compared with conventional spark ignition engines depending on the engine and driving conditions (based on advanced development testing),
and the potential to
reduce CO2 emissions by up to 20%

Torque pulse optimization algorithms can prevent adverse vehicle resonances and objectionable pulse frequencies

Broad applicability across a range of engine sizes and types

Compatible with 3-way catalysts for gasoline engines

Fast response allows full cylinder deactivation in a single cam revolution at speeds up to 3500 rpm


https://www.delphi.com/manufacturers...ivation-system

PDF: Advanced, specially designed Delphi valve train technology

Delphi-Tula Dynamic Skip Fire Cylinder Deactivation System (656kb)PDF

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[1slowssm6]

Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife

You're higher than a kite if you believe the GT500, if one appears for the S550 generation, will push past even $75,000.

Ford doesn't make a single penny from ADM. Limited production does help make sure there is a higher demand than supply, thus promising eventual sales, but they don't benefit from ADM.

In my opinion you’re high as a kite If you believe 3rd year rumors about the gt500 coming now,hasn’t come in 3 years,ford would make it more expensive than the gt350,seeing how they now know what ppl will pay,but we won’t ever know cause it’s not coming,so it’s a pointless argument.