[13vertss]

Originally Posted by motorhead

That's because people like to argue without thinking. That is a dumb argument especially. The corvette has one purpose. The Camaro is a more useful everyday car. Also, if you equip a vette the same as the top SS then the vette will not be close in price. People do this crap all the time. They compare the top of the line of one model to the base of another and say "oh, look I can get a vette for the price of a Camaro". Morons.


I think you have too many people that are disliking on this car simply because it's a better car and they don't want to admit it. It' like resenting your younger brother for being the better athlete when dad always thought you were awsome until he was born.

To some this could be true, but I did my due diligence. The 2ss convertible with NPP, and Magride that I wanted came to just over $52,000 and dealers were not dealing much on them as there were very few out. The Vette convertible I ordered was set up with a 2lt package, NPP, Magride, and PDR. Then add forged aluminum chrome wheels and splash guards comes with a msrp of just under $75000. But got a dealer discount of 11% off and a $750 conquest rebate. Then with the Vette you can use 1500 more GM points over the Camaro so I was able to buy the Vette for $63000. Plus I was able to get a better interest rate. ( not now tho) So yes it was still over $11000 more, but IMHO was worth it due to the looks, performance, and value.

[Robert215]

I don't think the issue is the price of the SS. Cause I know damn well all those mustangs they are selling are not 5.0s. Went online and you can get a convertible v6 stang for 30k. And v6 camaro vert is pushing 33-34. I think the base cars are the issue. They need to lower the price of the base cars. You can get a straight up automatic stang v6 for 26. And once you had the Rs and 8 speed to the camaro your already close to 30$. But when I think of the 5.0 compared to the camaro I think they by the 5.0 cause of the preferance. Cause there ford people. The SS is far more supperior then anything in its maket, and I think for the price that your getting its not bad at all. So Chevy needs to drop the price of the v6s and turbo 4s and I'm sure they will start selling. Ok I'm done lol

[nvrsatisfied]

Originally Posted by 13vertss/r's

To some this could be true, but I did my due diligence. The 2ss convertible with NPP, and Magride that I wanted came to just over $52,000 and dealers were not dealing much on them as there were very few out. The Vette convertible I ordered was set up with a 2lt package, NPP, Magride, and PDR. Then add forged aluminum chrome wheels and splash guards comes with a msrp of just under $75000. But got a dealer discount of 11% off and a $750 conquest rebate. Then with the Vette you can use 1500 more GM points over the Camaro so I was able to buy the Vette for $63000. Plus I was able to get a better interest rate. ( not now tho) So yes it was still over $11000 more, but IMHO was worth it due to the looks, performance, and value.

As long as it's what you wanted, that's all that maters.

[13vertss]

Originally Posted by nvrsatisfied

As long as it's what you wanted, that's all that maters.

If I could not of got the Vette discounts, there would be a Camaro in the garage.

[nvrsatisfied]

Originally Posted by 13vertss/r's

If I could not of got the Vette discounts, there would be a Camaro in the garage.

If you looked once, you will look again. There could be a Camaro in your future after all

[Jeb114]

I believe only what I see and the Dodge dealer in my town can't keep challengers and chargers in stock. He gets five delivered and in maybe 3 weeks there gone, and he orders 5 more. Since January he has sold 49 customer ordered cars{most SRT's and 2 Hellcats). The Chevy dealer in town still has 3 of the original order he got back in January, plus 4 since then on his lot. He has sold 3 customer ordered cars.{all v6 auto cars) The ford Dealer here gets sold out of mustangs around graduation time. Last year 24 this year 38. all in June.(He stocks around 25 at one time( 2 GT 350's in the showroom, 1 an R. I know these people for 30 years so the numbers are accurate.

[nvrsatisfied]

Originally Posted by Jeb114

I believe only what I see and the Dodge dealer in my town can't keep challengers and chargers in stock. He gets five delivered and in maybe 3 weeks there gone, and he orders 5 more. Since January he has sold 49 customer ordered cars{most SRT's and 2 Hellcats). The Chevy dealer in town still has 3 of the original order he got back in January, plus 4 since then on his lot. He has sold 3 customer ordered cars.{all v6 auto cars) The ford Dealer here gets sold out of mustangs around graduation time. Last year 24 this year 38. all in June.(He stocks around 25 at one time( 2 GT 350's in the showroom, 1 an R. I know these people for 30 years so the numbers are accurate.

Just means your neighbors are lower class people 😀

[SpookShow'84]

Originally Posted by motorhead

That's because people like to argue without thinking. That is a dumb argument especially. The corvette has one purpose. The Camaro is a more useful everyday car. Also, if you equip a vette the same as the top SS then the vette will not be close in price. People do this crap all the time. They compare the top of the line of one model to the base of another and say "oh, look I can get a vette for the price of a Camaro". Morons.


I think you have too many people that are disliking on this car simply because it's a better car and they don't want to admit it. It' like resenting your younger brother for being the better athlete when dad always thought you were awsome until he was born.

The interesting thing about people that will call others "morons" when comparing sports cars is that the same things that they'll deride mustang and challenger owners for don't apply to the camaro vs. the vette comparison. They want to have it both ways. If you choose the camaro over the other two "pony" cars because you're an enthusiast, then why do you automatically dismiss the vette.

If you have kids they can ride in the back of the camaro unless the person in the front is over 6' tall, but 4 adults in the camaro isn't happening. What's the difference in ride height, a few inches. The trunk is better than the gen6.

I understand the differences in the cars, but it's not an apples to oranges comparison, more like red apples to green apples. The camaro has tried to get too upmarket too fast with a few misses in the design and the pricing structure is off compaired to its peers and the market seems to agree.

[nvrsatisfied]

Originally Posted by SpookShow'84

The interesting thing about people that will call others "morons" when comparing sports cars is that the same things that they'll deride mustang and challenger owners for don't apply to the camaro vs. the vette comparison. They want to have it both ways. If you choose the camaro over the other two "pony" cars because you're an enthusiast, then why do you automatically dismiss the vette.

If you have kids they can ride in the back of the camaro unless the person in the front is over 6' tall, but 4 adults in the camaro isn't happening. What's the difference in ride height, a few inches. The trunk is better than the gen6.

I understand the differences in the cars, but it's not an apples to oranges comparison, more like red apples to green apples. The camaro has tried to get too upmarket too fast with a few misses in the design and the pricing structure is off compaired to its peers and the market seems to agree.

The Camaro is more of a daily driver for most of us here. We love the Corvette, but feel the Camaro is more practical for daily use.

About that market you mention...why don't you just look at the new threads daily that show nember's getting their Gen6 and compare it with last month. Now figure in that forum members are a small amount of actual owners. If that 0% financing made that much of an impact on this forum, what does that say about the impact of others outside this forum? What will happen when cash incentives start? Mustang and challenger have had incentives all this time, 0% is the first one on the gen6 Camaro.

Sales are fine and climbing. You don't want one, that fine with me. I just think you should spend more time discussing a car you actually like/own.

All of us owners love our cars and we don't have to explain our purchases to anyone. If we are happy, that's all that matters.

[motorhead]

Originally Posted by SpookShow'84

The interesting thing about people that will call others "morons" when comparing sports cars is that the same things that they'll deride mustang and challenger owners for don't apply to the camaro vs. the vette comparison. They want to have it both ways. If you choose the camaro over the other two "pony" cars because you're an enthusiast, then why do you automatically dismiss the vette.

If you have kids they can ride in the back of the camaro unless the person in the front is over 6' tall, but 4 adults in the camaro isn't happening. What's the difference in ride height, a few inches. The trunk is better than the gen6.

I understand the differences in the cars, but it's not an apples to oranges comparison, more like red apples to green apples. The camaro has tried to get too upmarket too fast with a few misses in the design and the pricing structure is off compaired to its peers and the market seems to agree.

The moron part isn't about comparing them. It's about not comparing them accurately and just blowing off nonsense just to argue.

[SpookShow'84]

None of that is nonsense, I've driven both cars, just my opinion.

[motorhead]

Originally Posted by SpookShow'84

None of that is nonsense, I've driven both cars, just my opinion.

I don't believe you read all of what I typed. People are comparing the top of the line SS Camaro to the Base Corvette and saying that they are close in price. That is a moronic argument. The guy with the yellow vette about just showed you why.

[bond2]

So many cars have evolutionary styling. All BMWs, Porsches, even Corvettes. GM decided not change a good thing too much. When I parked my 5th gen next to my 6th gen at the dealer the changes to me where huge, granted I had a 2010. To the average person it may not be as noticeable. I don't think its the styling though, for the average buyer that isn't brand loyal they will cross shop all 3 and pick for size, price or performance. Seems sales is reflecting price 1st, then size and performance are kinda neck and neck. Mustang will win based on this.

[SpookShow'84]

Originally Posted by nvrsatisfied

The Camaro is more of a daily driver for most of us here. We love the Corvette, but feel the Camaro is more practical for daily use.

About that market you mention...why don't you just look at the new threads daily that show nember's getting their Gen6 and compare it with last month. Now figure in that forum members are a small amount of actual owners. If that 0% financing made that much of an impact on this forum, what does that say about the impact of others outside this forum? What will happen when cash incentives start? Mustang and challenger have had incentives all this time, 0% is the first one on the gen6 Camaro.

Sales are fine and climbing. You don't want one, that fine with me. I just think you should spend more time discussing a car you actually like/own.

All of us owners love our cars and we don't have to explain our purchases to anyone. If we are happy, that's all that matters.

Two consecutive months with sales off 40% YtY in peak sports car season with a new model is a little alarming to me. You are right though, more people recently are pulling the trigger so hopefully next month will be better. More and more gen5 guys are switching too but it took 0% to get people off their wallet. An indication that price is the issue, hopefully July will break 6k.