[suzook]

I don't understand the people saying save your $, get a vette. Sure they are nice, but they are a serious pia to get in and out of, visibility is worse, and I LIKE THE CAMARO. Its a stupid argument.

[activepat]

Other than the engine the Camaro and Corvette are apples and oranges.

[EricTheCamaroGuy]

Originally Posted by clanky

They're really really common in my town. Challenger and mustangs are about neck and neck. Guy saw my new camaro parked outside and came in and asked who's new dodge that was... Seriously that's an insult. Camaro's I think there is about 4 and only 2 of em them are SS.

I only saw two SS models out on I-70, and one driving through downtown Frederick. But speaking of the sales, I was actually quite surprised to see that Camaro sales are down, but the Challengers I see more frequently than a Camaro, and according to that graph are not too frequent. About that guy who thought your Camaro was a Challenger, he really needs to look at the front emblem because the Chevrolet and Dodge logos are very different. There are very big differences exterior wise between the Camaro and Challenger.

It seems like the most common muscle car is tied between the Mustang and Challenger, but Mustangs are selling like hot cakes.

[motorhead]

Originally Posted by suzook

I don't understand the people saying save your $, get a vette. Sure they are nice, but they are a serious pia to get in and out of, visibility is worse, and I LIKE THE CAMARO. Its a stupid argument.

That's because people like to argue without thinking. That is a dumb argument especially. The corvette has one purpose. The Camaro is a more useful everyday car. Also, if you equip a vette the same as the top SS then the vette will not be close in price. People do this crap all the time. They compare the top of the line of one model to the base of another and say "oh, look I can get a vette for the price of a Camaro". Morons.


I think you have too many people that are disliking on this car simply because it's a better car and they don't want to admit it. It' like resenting your younger brother for being the better athlete when dad always thought you were awsome until he was born.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by motorhead

I really don't believe price has much to do with what's happening. It would apprear that GM is focusing on larger profit per vehicle than out selling the competition. After finally getting to drive a V6 and a V8, it's crazy just how better this new car is over the gen5. I was ready to trade my ZL1 in for the SS, but Im holding out for the new ZL1 which is going to be crazy. GM did exactly what people wanted and now they are bitching about it. I don't geting. It's like voting for the politician that tells you in his campaign that he's going to rasie taxes and complaining about it ,when after you help him to win, when he does.

This is what happened to me but I also decided I wanted to make it a daily driver. At the ZL1 trim, the operating cost go way up.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by The_Driver

I just sat in a 6th gen convertible in the showroom and I could barely fit my hand between the back of the front seat and the edge of the rear seat cushion. Heck, even my 3rd gen has more room than that and it's sitting on a rather compact 101" wheelbase.

No, the engineers screwed up on the Alpha platform. Yeah, it's lighter, stiffer and a tad smaller than Zeta II. However, something screwy is going on with the rear seat position in the chassis. It's almost as if the rear seats are located too far forward and upward in the floorpan. Since they now locate the fuel tank under the rear seats, I think there was some kind of design limitation in this area when they designed the Camaro on the smaller Alpha platform.

The CTS version of Alpha is bigger. Had Chevy used that we would have a Camaro that weighed the same as the gen5 and all the bitchers would be howling about that.

[motorhead]

Originally Posted by hotlap

This is what happened to me but I also decided I wanted to make it a daily driver. At the ZL1 trim, the operating cost go way up.

Yep, and you are still with the better car. For me Camaros are hobbies more than daily drivers or I would be right there with you.

[pbeyer2010]

I didn't read all 13 pages but where I am, you are hard pressed to actually find a 16' on the lot. I actually talked myself into a lightly used 5th gen because I couldn't get my hands on a decent 6th gen. Seems like supply is the issue not market appetite or competition


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[hotlap]

Originally Posted by suzook

I don't understand the people saying save your $, get a vette. Sure they are nice, but they are a serious pia to get in and out of, visibility is worse, and I LIKE THE CAMARO. Its a stupid argument.

When my order got held due to the blade spoiler delay, I looked at the C7 twice. It's very tight with my knee barely clearing the dash (6'-4"). Also, as you said, I hated having to roll out using my left arm. I couldn't fall in love with it.

I also looked at the M2 and really loved it but it cost more, offered less performance, less amenities and was not as comfortable.

[motorhead]

Originally Posted by pbeyer2010

I didn't read all 13 pages but where I am, you are hard pressed to actually find a 16' on the lot. I actually talked myself into a lightly used 5th gen because I couldn't get my hands on a decent 6th gen. Seems like supply is the issue not market appetite or competition


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That's true here too. Thus why I just got to drive a couple last week. They are definitely worth tracking down though. Great cars for sure.

[nvrsatisfied]

Originally Posted by motorhead

I really don't believe price has much to do with what's happening. It would apprear that GM is focusing on larger profit per vehicle than out selling the competition. After finally getting to drive a V6 and a V8, it's crazy just how better this new car is over the gen5. I was ready to trade my ZL1 in for the SS, but Im holding out for the new ZL1 which is going to be crazy. GM did exactly what people wanted and now they are bitching about it. I don't geting. It's like voting for the politician that tells you in his campaign that he's going to rasie taxes and complaining about it ,when after you help him to win, when he does.

You have potential buyers that want to hold out for a 4K to 5k rebate, and they will bitch endlessly because they want this car and are so jealous of the people that already have theirs. If they think there is so much wrong with the Gen6, think it's so overpriced, thinks there is so many better options out there,....why are they here? They are here because they don't have what they really want, and they hope someone from GM will hear their cries. If I produced a car with the capabilities of the Gen6 which competes with higher end cars I wouldn't lower the price at this time either.

[The_Driver]

Originally Posted by nvrsatisfied

Exactly! And then they spend so much time in a forum complaining about a car that according to them, they would never own.

I never said I would never own one. In fact, if I was in the same position this year that I was in last year, I would probably have one in my driveway right now. However, I didn't want to wait or be an early adopter of the many beta units that GM sent out to a lot of people.

I'm just trying to figure how they were able to drastically cut rear seat room on a platform, that for all intents and purposes, is only inch or so smaller from the car it replaces.

It seems like the rear seats sit higher in the chassis and closer to the back of the front seats. Like they gave it the same theater seating that the sedans have. Yet, the wheelbase is only an inch or so shorter. However, I do know that the front wheel centerline was extended farther from the cowl to give it a more Camaro-like proportion according to the designers.

Perhaps Alpha is a much smaller platform than we are led to believe and converting it over to a Camaro with heavy 5th gen design cues has limited it even further. I think this is one of the problems in sharing a global platform architecture, especially the floorpan. This made the Zeta based 5th gen too heavy and the Alpha based 6th gen too small in the interior room department.

[nvrsatisfied]

Originally Posted by The_Driver

I never said I would never own one. In fact, if I was in the same position this year that I was in last year, I would probably have one in my driveway right now. However, I didn't want to wait or be an early adopter of the many beta units that GM sent out to a lot of people.

I'm just trying to figure how they were able to drastically cut rear seat room on a platform, that for all intents and purposes, is only inch or so smaller from the car it replaces.

It seems like the rear seats sit higher in the chassis and closer to the back of the front seats. Like they gave it the same theater seating that the sedans have. Yet, the wheelbase is only an inch or so shorter. However, I do know that the front wheel centerline was extended farther from the cowl to give it a more Camaro-like proportion according to the designers.

Perhaps Alpha is a much smaller platform than we are led to believe and converting it over to a Camaro with heavy 5th gen design cues has limited it even further. I think this is one of the problems in sharing a global platform architecture, especially the floorpan. This made the Zeta based 5th gen too heavy and the Alpha based 6th gen too small in the interior room department.

There is a lot of engineering changes required with the new platform in order to accommodate the suspension and design of the body. I don't work for GM, but I'm sure they did their best to accommodate comfort as much as possible without altering performance.

[hotlap]

I'm repeated this because I feel it's a central buying point for the enthusiast.

Starting with a 12.3 sec car, one might be more content to keep the warranty than if starting with a 12.8 sec car. Especially a warranty that allows fun racing and HPDE days.