[LOWDOWN]

To get back to the heat soak issue, our experiences with a TT 346 C5 Z06 (598/595 @ rw) in desert heat (LVMS, Firebird) showed as much as 100 hp loss in severe 110+ heat. And the footwells? Ouch! And that was with a LOT of DEi heatshield, everywhere possible.

[LOWDOWN]

Originally Posted by 72MachOne99GT

I've seen the extra power to turn the S/C thing before, I'm sure the ZL1 makes significantly more than 580 when you factor that in as well.

No Petty Blue. That's what my moms hillbilly cousin from Virginia calls it. *shivers*

[best Gomer Pyle 'personation] Well GaaawLeeeeee!

[72MachOne99GT]

Impressive

[Fenderaddict2]

Originally Posted by richtor

ADM's.....way to make a 55k car a 85k in a heartbeat. Not all are this bad but you get the picture.

Not just ADMs, but foolish ADMs. I walked my Boss purchase into a dealer before it was officially announced along with a 5K deposit. 5 weeks later he calls to say they can get my car, and Oh, they are asking a 15K ADM. Called around like crazy and best I could do was 5K over, even though I wanted to make a Fiesta part of the deal. Thus the reason I know own a Boss 302 and a Mazda 2 instead. If it wasn't for dealers there would also be a second Boss in my driveway by now as well.

[Fenderaddict2]

Originally Posted by LOWDOWN

Easy, big fella, I was actually referrin' to the White one...with the window stickers still attached...on its way to have the windows tinted...and I hope he remembered to take the stickers off, first...

But if you feel defensive, it wasn't my intent. So sorry. BTW, that Petty Blue looks good.

To make it up to you, how about a no-charge SVT Players' Program, complete with field positions?

http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1...by-gt500-video

Are we good, now?

So, as you can see from MotorAuthority's rhetoric, it actually makes more like 800 hp, before pumping losses...unfreakinbelievable!!

Petty Blue, that's it!!! Now I know why I love the grabber blue colour. Would look killer on a Challenger. They could give us Ford guys their Orange in exchange.

[9c1ny]

tuned results are in

40rwhp/70rwt


Theres no way the Zl1 will ever touch a tuned Gt500 without MAJOR mods, sad

[LimaCharlie]

....and the impressive '13 GT500 performance continues...

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by evolution Performance

Nobody can keep a secret anymore...

Great numbers on this tuned car, it needs nothing more than a set of drag radials to go terrorize 98% of the cars on the road. I would have found another way to free up the 50-hp and not void the warranty though. Because with this much power on tap there is a good chance you may need it in the future.

[SlingShot]

That's the first sheet I've seen where the torque didn't take a dive at 4500, nice job...

[SlingShot]

Originally Posted by LOWDOWN

So, as you can see from MotorAuthority's rhetoric, it actually makes more like 800 hp, before pumping losses...unfreakinbelievable!!

And that is why turbos are referred to as "Free" power, they don't cost you power to make power.

[assasinator]

Originally Posted by SlingShot

And that is why turbos are referred to as "Free" power, they don't cost you power to make power.

they do take about 2.5% from exhaust flow losses. the work the expanding gasses use to turn the wheel, are utilized for scavenging in an NA motor.

[SEVEN-OH JOE]

Some folks seem to be very respectful of their new toys and their incredible power. Racing is NOT for them. Some can't get to a tuner shop quick enough to get even more.

Perhaps the right answer is to take these cars to a driving school and learn how to safely operate them.

Blasphemy? Here's what happened when a lottery winner took his daughter and a friend for a drive in his relatively-speaking underpowered BOSS:

http://globaltvbc.smdg.ca/luck+runs+...945/story.html

Shudder to think what might have happened had he bought a Shelby instead.

[SlingShot]

Originally Posted by SlingShot

And that is why turbos are referred to as "Free" power, they don't cost you power to make power.

Originally Posted by assasinator

they do take about 2.5% from exhaust flow losses. the work the expanding gasses use to turn the wheel, are utilized for scavenging in an NA motor.

In the grand scheme of things that's free power.

[tt335ci03cobra]

Turbo's ftw. The 2015 zl1 and gt500 would be amazing with turbos. You guys saw/have seen the dyno graphs for zl1's and gt500's. Nice torque but the peak hp is pretty spikey and way up high around redline. Turbo power would yield close to peak numbers from 5200rpms to 6750rpms.

It's been proven time and again that even at the same power level, turbo cars trap higher than sc cars hp being equal.

Now, factor that you don't have the rotational stress on the motor that an sc needs to spin, and you can easily see why just 8psi through a turbo setup can be more productive than 15psi through an sc.

My own tt 5.4 setup on just 6psi puts 911 turbos to shame... Think about that and imagine how fast a 650-700hp turbo zl1 or gt500 could be. Safer too because it's cradled boost without much stress and at much lower boost levels.

Also, turbos compensate for altitude so if ford had an intercooler turbo mill, they probably could have still run at least 200 at Arizona and the engine wouldn't have experienced near as much heat soak as the inlet air would be going directly into the motor right after the charge cooling intercooler vs being cooled down only to run through very hot lobes in the sc setup.

Anyways, one can dream but they'll probably stick with sc's.

It'd be awesome though to start with 650-700hp and only need a boost controller, midpipe and tune to make 900hp.