[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by 8cd03gro

"Overall, Ford says the 2013 GT500 has 33 percent more downforce at 160 mph"

http://www.caranddriver.com/news/201...-and-info-news

That doesn't give any indicator of how substantial the downforce is, but there must be some.

You're right! And I remember reading that. I agree.

What I mean to say is that the ZL1 produces net down-force, for example. Some 60 pounds or whatnot. That means the down-force generated has exceeded the lift by some 60 pounds @ 160mph. The Corvette, even the ZR1, has not achieved net down-force...they've only come REAL close to neutral.

So given that distinction, I was commenting on how the GT500's aerodynamic improvements have increased available down-force and stability at speed (by 30% according to the above article), but it does not exceed the lift generated at those same speeds, so there is no net down-force.

[BigDan]

Originally Posted by mr_desmo

Id love a ls9 zl1....that would be the monster....but they wouldnt put a 24k engine in a 55k car would they?

idk about GM but Ford does

They've been dropping $21,000 engines in $49k GT500 Mustangs for years now.

http://www.fordracingparts.com/parts...KeyField=11985

[Huggerorange73]

I can't wait till the ZL1 & GT500 can line up for real and put an end to all this bench racing.

Be interesting to hear the banter after that battle.

[ParisTNDude]

Originally Posted by Sax1031

11.7 @ 120 in a Super Snake is like the guy that tested the ZL1 and ran a 13.5 @ 107mph.

Evan Smith has run a 11.95 @ 120+ in a stock 2010 GT500(540hp).

He believes he can run some 11.60s-11.70s with the new GT500(650hp). He said the torque management/launch control system works pretty good. He got to drive one and said they are much easier to launch now.

I'm sure conditions and driver are the factors for good or bad ETs on any car. I couldn't find anywhere where a bone stock Super Snake ran any better time than the 11.7 mentioned. I've even seen a video of a Super snake that could'nt break into the 12s...the guy excused that futile effort by claiming the car was a road race and not a drag car...ok. We'll soon see side by side, same day, same track comparisons and all this speculation and bickering will stop. I was simply doing my version of arm chair racing to see what the 13 GT500 might run. 650HP should overpower a 580HP car...right? I searched for Evan Smith and the GT500 and his best time was 12.03. Incidentally that car dynoed at 588HP so it is either under-rated or Ford slipped them a "good one"....lol.

[4DoorRocket]

The GT500 will end up out running the ZL1. Both cars will be insanely quick, but the GT500 will still be quicker. Hate to burst bubbles. Nothing to be ashamed of, heck 580 horsepower is a lot and it will beat 99.8% of the cars on the road these days.

[GT5Junkie]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

By the way...You made me all curious so I did some digging....as of Feburary 2012, the updated SCCA rulebook states that Active Suspension systems are allowed in the Touring, Super Touring, and Showroom Stock divisions as long as they are OEM equipment.

Which one of those categories is the CTS-V with the LSA and MR legal for?

[GT5Junkie]

Originally Posted by ParisTNDude

I'm sure conditions and driver are the factors for good or bad ETs on any car. I couldn't find anywhere where a bone stock Super Snake ran any better time than the 11.7 mentioned. I've even seen a video of a Super snake that could'nt break into the 12s...the guy excused that futile effort by claiming the car was a road race and not a drag car...ok. We'll soon see side by side, same day, same track comparisons and all this speculation and bickering will stop. I was simply doing my version of arm chair racing to see what the 13 GT500 might run. 650HP should overpower a 580HP car...right? I searched for Evan Smith and the GT500 and his best time was 12.03.

No. His best time in a 2011 was 12.02, in bad air. His best time In a GT500 was 11.95, in a 2010.

[SIRLOIN]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

Have you guys ever seen the video of this application?

Hit the "see Video" button on this page:

http://www.flame-spray.com/

It's really freakin' cool!!

Wow! That is pretty freakin cool! Thanks for posting that up...

[SIRLOIN]

Originally Posted by ParisTNDude

I'm sure conditions and driver are the factors for good or bad ETs on any car. I couldn't find anywhere where a bone stock Super Snake ran any better time than the 11.7 mentioned. I've even seen a video of a Super snake that could'nt break into the 12s...the guy excused that futile effort by claiming the car was a road race and not a drag car...ok. We'll soon see side by side, same day, same track comparisons and all this speculation and bickering will stop. I was simply doing my version of arm chair racing to see what the 13 GT500 might run. 650HP should overpower a 580HP car...right? I searched for Evan Smith and the GT500 and his best time was 12.03. Incidentally that car dynoed at 588HP so it is either under-rated or Ford slipped them a "good one"....lol.

Dude, stop comparing Supersnakes to the 13 Shelby. Its pointless and isnt relevant in any way really. The new Shelby has so much more into it then any Supersnake has ever had. Not gonna list it all for the millionth time. The fact that the SS has 700,750,800, means squat and also isnt relevant.

Comparing those two cars is like comparing the HPE Camaro's to the ZL1. Its not relevant because the ZL1 has WAY more/different tech into it, just like when comparing the SS and 13 Shelby.

[eolson]

I'm sure that since the SVT engineers have specifically said they were trying to raise the bar a good deal past the Boss 302 LS with the new 2013 GT500, beyond all the improvements to get better/faster launch, 650HP, taller gears, superior differential, real launch control, real traction control, better tall tires, the car has specifically been re-designed for better handling on a road course, high performance suspension setting, real traction control, better steering, more down force and high speed stability by 33%, so comparing any other GT500 other than for total weight(2011/2012's), it seems pointless to make any of these comparisons.

The Boss 302 LS sticks like glue in the corners and doesn't shake loose easily because of the suspension design and real traction control, and SVT has put a 100% and more of that advanced learning and more on the 2013 GT500. So now we just have to wait and see. We already know the 0-60 is going to be 3.7 or better from 1st gear going up to 62mph, it's just a matter of HOW much faster it is on the road courses than the 2012. Erik

[ParisTNDude]

Originally Posted by SIRLOIN

Dude, stop comparing Supersnakes to the 13 Shelby. Its pointless and isnt relevant in any way really. The new Shelby has so much more into it then any Supersnake has ever had. Not gonna list it all for the millionth time. The fact that the SS has 700,750,800, means squat and also isnt relevant.

Comparing those two cars is like comparing the HPE Camaro's to the ZL1. Its not relevant because the ZL1 has WAY more/different tech into it, just like when comparing the SS and 13 Shelby.

Well, it happens to have more HP than the 13 GT500 and the same suspension (minor tweaks). As others, including Ford guys have said, the 285 tires are going to be a joke on the 2013 car as they were on the Super Snake. IMO, it's an indicator that a lesser HP car will, um, uh, run lesser times, so why isn't that relevant? If you don't like my posts, skip over them and read someone elses.

[GT5Junkie]

It doesn't have the same suspension, it doesn't have the same gearing, and it doesn't have launch control.

[Sax1031]

Originally Posted by ParisTNDude

I'm sure conditions and driver are the factors for good or bad ETs on any car. I couldn't find anywhere where a bone stock Super Snake ran any better time than the 11.7 mentioned. I've even seen a video of a Super snake that could'nt break into the 12s...the guy excused that futile effort by claiming the car was a road race and not a drag car...ok. We'll soon see side by side, same day, same track comparisons and all this speculation and bickering will stop. I was simply doing my version of arm chair racing to see what the 13 GT500 might run. 650HP should overpower a 580HP car...right? I searched for Evan Smith and the GT500 and his best time was 12.03. Incidentally that car dynoed at 588HP so it is either under-rated or Ford slipped them a "good one"....lol.

The Super Snake is traction limited. As the ZL1 and GT500 already are.

Here is Evan Smith running the Super Snake:

http://www.musclemustangfastfords.co...e/viewall.html

pair of ET Streets and he ran 10.8s @ 134mph

Here is Evan Smith running a 2010 GT500:

http://www.musclemustangfastfords.co...t/viewall.html

11.951 @ 120.29

[YourBlindingBias]

Originally Posted by ParisTNDude

Well, it happens to have more HP than the 13 GT500 and the same suspension (minor tweaks). As others, including Ford guys have said, the 285 tires are going to be a joke on the 2013 car as they were on the Super Snake. IMO, it's an indicator that a lesser HP car will, um, uh, run lesser times, so why isn't that relevant? If you don't like my posts, skip over them and read someone elses.

You're acting like the ZL1 isn't held back by traction...
or pretending it isn't at least.
You know that ANY car with 500hp and street tires may have some traction issues no matter the suspension right?