[GrnMchin]

That why GM does what they do. They are in the market to sell cars. I known that it might be a shock to some, but I get it. I always take a test that mags and other do with a gain of salt. I just like to get other's to think from time to time and not always follow the trend.

I have been very imprested with Ford over the past few years and not as quick to discount what they do as much as the past. I still bleed GM.

[8cd03gro]

The boss does fine on traction. The new gt500 has an improved diff, more weight, better TCS and LC, so it should get even better traction. There's no reason the new gt500 shouldn't handle better than the boss as well with the improved suspension. Just food for thought.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by GrnMchin

That why GM does what they do. They are in the market to sell cars. I known that it might be a shock to some, but I get it. I always take a test that mags and other do with a gain of salt. I just like to get other's to think from time to time and not always follow the trend.

I have been very imprested with Ford over the past few years and not as quick to discount what they do as much as the past. I still bleed GM.

By the way...You made me all curious so I did some digging....as of Feburary 2012, the updated SCCA rulebook states that Active Suspension systems are allowed in the Touring, Super Touring, and Showroom Stock divisions as long as they are OEM equipment.

[GrnMchin]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

By the way...You made me all curious so I did some digging....as of Feburary 2012, the updated SCCA rulebook states that Active Suspension systems are allowed in the Touring, Super Touring, and Showroom Stock divisions as long as they are OEM equipment.

Cool I guess I need to do more R&D and update my RB. Thanks for the update.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by GrnMchin

Cool I guess I need to do more R&D and update my RB. Thanks for the update.

Thank YOU for making me go look for it. 700 pages is THICK...but I enjoyed digging through it to find that information.

[GrnMchin]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

Thank YOU for making me go look for it. 700 pages is THICK...but I enjoyed digging through it to find that information.

No prob I guess, I have not really looked that hard at the new 2012 book as it will not really effect the team that I pit crew for and the class they run in, 944 cup/club car.

[truth411]

Originally Posted by 8cd03gro

The boss does fine on traction. The new gt500 has an improved diff, more weight, better TCS and LC, so it should get even better traction. There's no reason the new gt500 shouldn't handle better than the boss as well with the improved suspension. Just food for thought.

but the GT500 "more weight" is over the front tires. I believe about a 57/43 weight distribution. And if this thing is making 510ft-lbs of torque at only 2000rpms as someone posted then I don't care what type of LC it has those 285mm tread tires on 20x9.5 wheels are going to be screaming for mercy.

Edit: the boss has faaaaar less torque to deal with, and a slightly better weight distribution.

[eolson]

After driving a high HP 06' for six years, and having the correct suspension geometry maintained for being lowered, and having wide quality rubber, the Mustang launches fine when you get used to it manually. Having had 570HP at one point, with good summer weather and rubber, after properly feathering first gear, my car could stick all the way through 2nd with a chirp and through 3rd with a chirp and was incredibly fast and fun.

Again, as mentioned many time before, the Camaro's traction advantage is delivered electronically, so it's no surprise over powered Mustangs spin at launch as all cars did previous to 2003. The 2013 GT500 has 4 elements that are far better for launching now. Real launch control that is adjustable, along with real traction control adjustability, along with correct gearing finally for the car's power, and tall enough tires with enough sidewall and width for good launches. It will be a frightening beast like the ZL1.

Also on the twisties, the car now has a dedicated, very stiff performance mode, so the compromise of last year's diluted, have to please everybody and pot holes, is gone. All track now. Erik

[Huggerorange73]

This site is going to need a full time suicide watch/therapist when the 13' GT500 wipes out the all powerful ZL1 on the track.

Can't wait.

[truth411]

Originally Posted by Huggerorange73

This site is going to need a full time suicide watch/therapist when the 13' GT500 wipes out the all powerful ZL1 on the track.

Can't wait.

Im not saying its not possible, Im saying you shouldn't hold your breath.

[lil_chef]

Originally Posted by truth411

but the GT500 "more weight" is over the front tires. I believe about a 57/43 weight distribution. And if this thing is making 510ft-lbs of torque at only 2000rpms as someone posted then I don't care what type of LC it has those 285mm tread tires on 20x9.5 wheels are going to be screaming for mercy.

Edit: the boss has faaaaar less torque to deal with, and a slightly better weight distribution.

The widest tire i have seen from AMGs are 285's and that's including their 750 ft-lb monster. it is certainly possible to get the power down with that much torque and that little tire.

[Huggerorange73]

Originally Posted by truth411

Im not saying its not possible, Im saying you shouldn't hold your breath.

I'm going to advise the ZL1 crowd of the same advice....including Big Al & The F Bod father.

[8cd03gro]

Originally Posted by truth411

but the GT500 "more weight" is over the front tires. I believe about a 57/43 weight distribution. And if this thing is making 510ft-lbs of torque at only 2000rpms as someone posted then I don't care what type of LC it has those 285mm tread tires on 20x9.5 wheels are going to be screaming for mercy.

Edit: the boss has faaaaar less torque to deal with, and a slightly better weight distribution.

56/44 is for the current gt500. We don't know the weight dist of the '13. MM&FF said the '13 launched with little to no slip, so we can safely assume the new launch control system modulates torque to some extent. The one-piece driveshaft and revised suspension should also help with the severe wheel hop of previous generation gt500s.

[rez333]

Originally Posted by Huggerorange73

This site is going to need a full time suicide watch/therapist when the 13' GT500 wipes out the all powerful ZL1 on the track.

Can't wait.

This.

I think it's idiotic how Al Oppenheimer and all the ZL1 evangelists keep insisting the ZL1 is the faster car when no tests have been performed to compare the two. Save all the prosthelytizing for when the actual times come out, otherwise you'll look like a besotted teen girl lining up for a Bieber autograph. For pete's sake - have some dignity!