[Fraxum]

Originally Posted by metros11

So I'm going to poke a few holes into the theory that the Boss in holding it's value better than the 1LE, because in order to say this, you need to consider the starting value. Let's do a head to head comparison, a 2013 Boss 302 and a 2013 SS 1LE. The Boss had a starting MSRP of about $42K. You couldn't get your hands on the early models without dealer markup, but let's suppose by 2013 you could buy at MSRP, theoretically. The 2013 SS 1LE was at $37K, if you had the base 1SS with the 1LE package, not including any other add-ons. And for the sake of the argument, let's say someone actually paid MSRP for the Camaro, theoretically. So, let's compare what these cars are valued at today with around 30-40 thousand miles on the odometer. I pulled four cheapest examples each from two biggest used car sales sites with no distance limit, 2 from cars.com and 2 from autotrader:

Boss
https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/d...6513/overview/
https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/d...6127/overview/
https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-...odelCode1=MUST
https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-...odelCode1=MUST

1LE

https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/d...6891/overview/
https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/d...5341/overview/
https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-...modelCode1=CAM
https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-...modelCode1=CAM

So in the end, here's is where you land, in simple facts based on asking prices:

Boss:
$28,199
$28,277
$26,500
$28,993
Average asking prices of $28k ($27,993)
$42k to $28k= loss of $14k over 5 years

1LE:
$24,999
$25,000
$23,480
$24,995
Average asking prices of $24.5k ($24,619)
$37k to $24.5k = loss of $12.5k over 5 years

Again, this is not even considering that most Boss owners likely paid at least MSRP, and most 1LE owners paid well below it. In the end, the Boss may retain higher asking prices, but it wasn't necessarily a better investment, especially if the 1LE is a better performer.

Yea, well when I got my insurance payoff for my shiny side down 1LE I got less than other auto SSes with 10 K miles as my SS was manual. Real world $$. The 1LE package was worth $0. I complained but looking at used values at the time I had no case. And the Boss cars are older model years. I guess we wont really know until 20 years from now at Mecan auctions. But for now our opinions will differ. I did just see a standard Boss 302 cross the Mecan block at $40 something $K last year. And look at this:

https://www.mecum.com/lots/FL0117-26...tang-boss-302/

Show me some used 1LEs going for $40K+?

My loss: $44K loaded 1LE 2SS after 10K miles and 1.5 years, I got $29K. Go figure.

Everybody knows what a Boss 302 is, but a 1LE? Most people scratch their heads. Still the 5th gen 1LE is a great car and a great performance bargain.

Auto trader Boss listings:
https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-...T%7CBoss%20302

Autotrader 1LE listings:
https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-...searchRadius=0

Any more questions?

[DevilsReject97]

Originally Posted by FastCarFanBoy

the car went 142mph on video with a slip...its making 800ish wheel. you can doubt the mod list but claiming the HP # is made up is just silly.

Who the hell cares what it went in the 1/4 mile? For all we know it's spraying down the track. The argument isn't about whether it went 142 or 140....it's about what mods it actually has to get 840hp. Ain't no way it's just a blower...it just cannot physically be.

Originally Posted by kttxz06

Does this look like a stock...........charger only Mustang? Again, you Mustang chodes need to STFU. This is the...........charger only, 840 hp car that ya'll keep claiming about. It has.........multiple mods. More mods than I can even count. Nice try tho trying to claim a stock GT ran 840 hp with just a blower. Haha, oh man. You guys crack me up. Btw, nice build by MAK, but it's nowhere near..................STOCK. This car has more mods on it than my Zl1. So, if you are going to come in here and claim a new hero run or dyno king, please do the rest of us the honors and come clean with the actual car and not the "made up" car that you guys love doing.

So, now the new rumor mill is...............Stock, with blower only runs 10's.

LMGDAO Oh lawd that is hilarious.... so crazy....

[metros11]

Originally Posted by Fraxum

Yea, well when I got my insurance payoff for my shiny side down 1LE I got less than other auto SSes with 10 K miles as my SS was manual. Real world $$. The 1LE package was worth $0. I complained but looking at used values at the time I had no case. And the Boss cars are older model years. I guess we wont really know until 20 years from now at Mecan auctions. But for now our opinions will differ. I did just see a standard Boss 302 cross the Mecan block at $40 something $K last year. And look at this:

https://www.mecum.com/lots/FL0117-26...tang-boss-302/

Show me some used 1LEs going for $40K+?

My loss: $44K loaded 1LE 2SS after 10K miles and 1.5 years, I got $29K. Go figure.

Everybody knows what a Boss 302 is, but a 1LE? Most people scratch their heads. Still the 5th gen 1LE is a great car and a great performance bargain.

Auto trader Boss listings:
https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-...T%7CBoss%20302

Autotrader 1LE listings:
https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-...searchRadius=0

Any more questions?

I'm not sure what you mean by 'our opinions will differ'. I showed factual evidence that the Boss loses value at the same pace as the 1LE. If you want to argue that it benefits from being a 'special edition' model, as opposed to a 'package', then I won't disagree there. A one of one color Boss, or the very first produced Boss, are both going to fetch more money than any 1LE car, that's a given. However for the most part the Camaro will lose it's value at the very same rate. If you got a 2SS base value for your wrecked car and couldn't argue the package, then you need to get a better insurance company or seek legal guidance. It's the same as seeking additional damages beyond repair when someone hits you, as your perceived value of a car that's been in an accident when being sold is going to be lower than one that's had clean history.

[Deakins]

All the back and forth in here when I can go to almost any engine shop in the Midwest and literally trip over a NA small block Chevy engine that's putting down the numbers you all are arguing about...and you're stuff is forced induction...smh. If you're rolling up to any event with less then 1500 hp you're screwed...try running at Lights Out 9 this spring with any of your stuff and see what happens, you couldn't even compete in ultrastreet... Face it, stock for stock the Mustang is getting beat up and down the track by the Camaro; once they're not stock...well, you may make "big" numbers for a non-technical forum...but if you roll to a real event you will leave feeling really bad when a small block Chevy nitrous car leaves you like you forgot to hit the gas pedal...

[Crim]

Originally Posted by Deakins

All the back and forth in here when I can go to almost any engine shop in the Midwest and literally trip over a NA small block Chevy engine that's putting down the numbers you all are arguing about...and you're stuff is forced induction...smh. If you're rolling up to any event with less then 1500 hp you're screwed...try running at Lights Out 9 this spring with any of your stuff and see what happens, you couldn't even compete in ultrastreet... Face it, stock for stock the Mustang is getting beat up and down the track by the Camaro; once they're not stock...well, you may make "big" numbers for a non-technical forum...but if you roll to a real event you will leave feeling really bad when a small block Chevy nitrous car leaves you like you forgot to hit the gas pedal...

WTH is this rant all about... we're talking stock against stock and you're talking you have to have more than 1500.

I think you're in the wrong thread and probably need to do some mods so you can compete with all those big N/A cars out there. LOL

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by kttxz06

https://www.facebook.com/IAmTaiBoogi...4266670660113/

Congrats Mustang owners. You can't even make this up.

This is why the Parts Farm always has like 20 Coyote engines available. I swear every other day they either just got a new one in or are about to get one in any day...or they just sold one or 2 or 5. No wonder Ford makes them soo slow. These guys can't even handle a slow-ass 13 sec Mustang. If Ford actually made them fast then who knows how many more of them would be plowing into crowds, churches, school buses, hospitals, and everything else in their path. A bunch of morons in a shitty car that has an impressively underdeveloped suspension that can't even control the little hp it does have on some crappy tires...what a joke.

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by Fraxum

Yea, well when I got my insurance payoff for my shiny side down 1LE I got less than other auto SSes with 10 K miles as my SS was manual. Real world $$. The 1LE package was worth $0. I complained but looking at used values at the time I had no case. And the Boss cars are older model years. I guess we wont really know until 20 years from now at Mecan auctions. But for now our opinions will differ. I did just see a standard Boss 302 cross the Mecan block at $40 something $K last year. And look at this:

https://www.mecum.com/lots/FL0117-26...tang-boss-302/

Show me some used 1LEs going for $40K+?

My loss: $44K loaded 1LE 2SS after 10K miles and 1.5 years, I got $29K. Go figure.

Everybody knows what a Boss 302 is, but a 1LE? Most people scratch their heads. Still the 5th gen 1LE is a great car and a great performance bargain.

Auto trader Boss listings:
https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-...T%7CBoss%20302

Autotrader 1LE listings:
https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-...searchRadius=0

Any more questions?

What is amazing is that the 2017 1LEs have now fallen in value to about where a low mileage 13 Boss is and their MSRP was just as high.

[Martinjlm]

Hey! did anybody know that MT did a compare of the '18 'Stang GT PP1 vs the. '18 Camaro SS 1LE? You really oughta check that out!

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

Hey! did anybody know that MT did a compare of the '18 'Stang GT PP1 vs the. '18 Camaro SS 1LE? You really oughta check that out!

I think we made some real progress earlier in that many Mustang fans acknowledged that the PP1 isn’t even at the SS level in track performance and that its a drivers race in a straight line -with the edge going to the SS.

The PP2 will need to ~match the base GT350 to compete with the 1LE on a road course. PP2 with more aggressive tires. Cooler? Don’t need no stinking coolers.

Generally, the GT is a soft car for people (mainly women and rental car companies) that don’t really care about “performance”. It’s been a sale success because it’s cheap and cute. It lost a little of both in the 18 refresh.

OMG - that Mustang pileup video is incredible. Even Ford must be embarrassed of these tools.

[kttxz06]

Originally Posted by Crim

WTH is this rant all about... we're talking stock against stock and you're talking you have to have more than 1500.

I think you're in the wrong thread and probably need to do some mods so you can compete with all those big N/A cars out there. LOL

He wasn't rating and yes, you are correct,this is supposed to be stock vs stock, but as always, we have to swat these Mustang trolls away with a swatter. That's why it's turned into a mod thread. That's why I said a few back that once you mod, the argument is out the window. It's not make vs make at that point, it's who dropped the most coin and how they did it.

[FastCarFanBoy]

Originally Posted by oldman

Individual testimonials to having no issues with their blown stock engine car are also suspect. Like saying if I won the lotto I'd never cheat on the Oldlady.

That's the difference between you and me...If i win the lotto , I give the ole lady her half and go bang whoever I want, no need for cheating.

[FastCarFanBoy]

Originally Posted by kttxz06

Does this look like a stock...........charger only Mustang? Again, you Mustang chodes need to STFU. This is the...........charger only, 840 hp car that ya'll keep claiming about. It has.........multiple mods. More mods than I can even count. Nice try tho trying to claim a stock GT ran 840 hp with just a blower. Haha, oh man. You guys crack me up. Btw, nice build by MAK, but it's nowhere near..................STOCK. This car has more mods on it than my Zl1. So, if you are going to come in here and claim a new hero run or dyno king, please do the rest of us the honors and come clean with the actual car and not the "made up" car that you guys love doing.

So, now the new rumor mill is...............Stock, with blower only runs 10's.

The list of Mods was posted 5 pages back. were you ?

[FastCarFanBoy]

Originally Posted by Deakins

All the back and forth in here when I can go to almost any engine shop in the Midwest and literally trip over a NA small block Chevy engine that's putting down the numbers you all are arguing about...and you're stuff is forced induction...smh. If you're rolling up to any event with less then 1500 hp you're screwed...try running at Lights Out 9 this spring with any of your stuff and see what happens, you couldn't even compete in ultrastreet... Face it, stock for stock the Mustang is getting beat up and down the track by the Camaro; once they're not stock...well, you may make "big" numbers for a non-technical forum...but if you roll to a real event you will leave feeling really bad when a small block Chevy nitrous car leaves you like you forgot to hit the gas pedal...

Chevy guys be like.... I tripped over this small block at the Junk yard and put it in my bolt on GTO.

[kttxz06]

Originally Posted by FastCarFanBoy

That's the difference between you and me...If i win the lotto , I give the ole lady her half and go bang whoever I want, no need for cheating.

Bwahahahahahahaha.