[oldman]

This all goes back to the 800 whp Supra vs LS1 days. Sure on a no-load dyno a Supra can laydown 800 WHP, even more, ever see a Supra win a pump gas shoot out? Nope, cause A) it ain't drivable, B) it ain't pump gas (sure E85 does fix that issue), C) if used for more than 12 seconds at a time the whole thing melts to slag.. Since you can't race or drive a dyno I can believe any number especially if it is Ricer STD numbers.

Individual testimonials to having no issues with their blown stock engine car are also suspect. Like saying if I won the lotto I'd never cheat on the Oldlady.

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by kttxz06

Well, considering their drive shafts can't handle load, I doubt they'll be able to make a legit pass at 840 hp. haha. I'm with ya, I just don't buy it. If it was that easy, everyone would be doing it. You can't just throw a blower on a car, add some injectors and nothing else and blamo............840 hp. Not on a motor that base lines at around 400 hp.

Dude, you can't even take a stock Zl1 and add a Whipple to it, crank it up and get 840 hp. By just adding the Whipple. Anyhow, moving on. This is some more Mustang6 fake news shit.

Sounds like someone has very hurt feelings. You can keep dismissing these Power adder coyote and they are going to clean your clock at the track.

[kttxz06]

Originally Posted by newmoon

Sounds like someone has very hurt feelings. You can keep dismissing these Power adder coyote and they are going to clean your clock at the track.

Well, considering I don't go to the track, your point went nowhere. Again, like a typical Mustang nut rider, you have to claim someone else's car do to the job. Or, you can bring your shit out to Tx2k and run me. $10k minimum roll race.

Oh, wait. Let me guess. Anyone can roll race right? Well, if that's the case, I only have a stock Zl1 so it should be an easy win for you. Or, I could be 900 hp by then. I guess we'll never know. But for real, I'm stock so. Whatever you have, no matter what kind of Mustang it is, should have no problem cleaning my proverbial clock. Ah, these trolls. Got to love em. My block list gets longer.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by newmoon

Sounds like someone has very hurt feelings. You can keep dismissing these Power adder coyote and they are going to clean your clock at the track.

It would take a LOT of upgrades to do that. And even then it still wouldn't have the cornering and braking capabilities. Nor would it have all the options of the ZL1. And that is IF it could even win. And that is if it is consistent. Sounds like a blown trans is in their (and a lot of other Mustang's) future with the trans issues they reported having in their GT. Or at least some very inconsistent runs. These guys posted 1 slip, lol!! An hour and a half drive to the track and only 1 slip to show for it looks suspect AF to me.

[kttxz06]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

It would take a LOT of upgrades to do that. And even then it still wouldn't have the cornering and braking capabilities. Nor would it have all the options of the ZL1. And that is IF it could even win. And that is if it is consistent. Sounds like a blown trans is in their (and a lot of other Mustang's) future with the trans issues they reported having in their GT. Or at least some very inconsistent runs. These guys posted 1 slip, lol!! An hour and a half drive to the track and only 1 slip to show for it looks suspect AF to me.

No no no no no. It's def true. It's impossible for a Camaro to beat a Mustang now. So, now we have to entertain these ass hats from the Mustang forums since it's so fkn boring over there. They have nothing to talk about other than talking to themselves since GM is slaughtering everything Ford puts out. First it was........tune/tire/fuel only will whip a Zl1. Then it was, just add a blower and we have 840hp.

These guys don't get it. Anyone can mod more than the next person. So, they have to go to the, well, watch out. You'll run into someone who has 900 hp. Well no shit I will and guess what? I'll most likely lose. But, now it's not a Camaro vs Mustang argument. It's, who spent the most $ argument.

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

It would take a LOT of upgrades to do that. And even then it still wouldn't have the cornering and braking capabilities. Nor would it have all the options of the ZL1. And that is IF it could even win. And that is if it is consistent. Sounds like a blown trans is in their (and a lot of other Mustang's) future with the trans issues they reported having in their GT. Or at least some very inconsistent runs. These guys posted 1 slip, lol!! An hour and a half drive to the track and only 1 slip to show for it looks suspect AF to me.

I agree these guys are pushing the envelope at 142 mph for sure. But it doesn't take that much hp or abuse to be competitive with a stock or near stock ZL1 a power adder 5th and 6th gen SS or GT can run 10s very safely and are fully capable of taking a stock or near stock ZL1s lunch money on the street or strip.

[Wild One]

Originally Posted by newmoon

I agree these guys are pushing the envelope at 142 mph for sure. But it doesn't take that much hp or abuse to be competitive with a stock or near stock ZL1 a power adder 5th and 6th gen SS or GT can run 10s very safely and are fully capable of taking a stock or near stock ZL1s lunch money on the street or strip.

You need more than lunch money.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by newmoon

I agree these guys are pushing the envelope at 142 mph for sure. But it doesn't take that much hp or abuse to be competitive with a stock or near stock ZL1 a power adder 5th and 6th gen SS or GT can run 10s very safely and are fully capable of taking a stock or near stock ZL1s lunch money on the street or strip.

Well if you go by the numbers...a stock ZL1 makes, let's say, 560 to the wheels. So if you hit a 5th or 6th Gen SS with 8-10 psi it would make either the same amount or more. So it would be able to run 11s and high 10s depending on other variables and supporting mods. Same with a GT. But you could have said the same thing about the 13-14 GT500 or any other car. What does any of that really prove? It just means that a car can be modded to beat a stock car. So yea a GT or SS with boost, LTs, suspension mods, and other goodies would probably beat a stock ZL1.

And for sure they pushed the envelope. That much is evident by the fact that they had trans issues and only posted 1 slip after driving an hour and a half to get to the track. So if that one slip represents the only run they made then either something happened to the car or they couldn't get something right or who knows what. Who drives that long for only 1 run? If they did more than 1 run then I'd like to see those slips. So they left out a lot of critical info. Was it perhaps a glory run? Something go boom? LOL!!

[metros11]

Originally Posted by Fraxum

I agree with Chevy Rules. The 1LE was a game changer for the 5th gen SS and it did out-handle all the Bosses and any S550 except maybe the GT350. But the sad part is the 1LE is a used car and the Boss is holding its value pretty well. And of course the GT350 is almost already a car to collect. Chevy has a harder time with the magic need to get big $$ attention. But damn, why didn't I buy that L88 Corvette back in the day.

So I'm going to poke a few holes into the theory that the Boss in holding it's value better than the 1LE, because in order to say this, you need to consider the starting value. Let's do a head to head comparison, a 2013 Boss 302 and a 2013 SS 1LE. The Boss had a starting MSRP of about $42K. You couldn't get your hands on the early models without dealer markup, but let's suppose by 2013 you could buy at MSRP, theoretically. The 2013 SS 1LE was at $37K, if you had the base 1SS with the 1LE package, not including any other add-ons. And for the sake of the argument, let's say someone actually paid MSRP for the Camaro, theoretically. So, let's compare what these cars are valued at today with around 30-40 thousand miles on the odometer. I pulled four cheapest examples each from two biggest used car sales sites with no distance limit, 2 from cars.com and 2 from autotrader:

Boss
https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/d...6513/overview/
https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/d...6127/overview/
https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-...odelCode1=MUST
https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-...odelCode1=MUST

1LE

https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/d...6891/overview/
https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/d...5341/overview/
https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-...modelCode1=CAM
https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-...modelCode1=CAM

So in the end, here's is where you land, in simple facts based on asking prices:

Boss:
$28,199
$28,277
$26,500
$28,993
Average asking prices of $28k ($27,993)
$42k to $28k= loss of $14k over 5 years

1LE:
$24,999
$25,000
$23,480
$24,995
Average asking prices of $24.5k ($24,619)
$37k to $24.5k = loss of $12.5k over 5 years

Again, this is not even considering that most Boss owners likely paid at least MSRP, and most 1LE owners paid well below it. In the end, the Boss may retain higher asking prices, but it wasn't necessarily a better investment, especially if the 1LE is a better performer.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by metros11

So I'm going to poke a few holes into the theory that the Boss in holding it's value better than the 1LE, because in order to say this, you need to consider the starting value. Let's do a head to head comparison, a 2013 Boss 302 and a 2013 SS 1LE. The Boss had a starting MSRP of about $42K. You couldn't get your hands on the early models without dealer markup, but let's suppose by 2013 you could buy at MSRP, theoretically. The 2013 SS 1LE was at $37K, if you had the base 1SS with the 1LE package, not including any other add-ons. And for the sake of the argument, let's say someone actually paid MSRP for the Camaro, theoretically. So, let's compare what these cars are valued at today with around 30-40 thousand miles on the odometer. I pulled four cheapest examples each from two biggest used car sales sites with no distance limit, 2 from cars.com and 2 from autotrader:

Boss
https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/d...6513/overview/
https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/d...6127/overview/
https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-...odelCode1=MUST
https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-...odelCode1=MUST

1LE

https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/d...6891/overview/
https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/d...5341/overview/
https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-...modelCode1=CAM
https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-...modelCode1=CAM

So in the end, here's is where you land, in simple facts based on asking prices:

Boss:
$28,199
$28,277
$26,500
$28,993
Average asking prices of $28k ($27,993)
$42k to $28k= loss of $14k over 5 years

1LE:
$24,999
$25,000
$23,480
$24,995
Average asking prices of $24.5k ($24,619)
$37k to $24.5k = loss of $12.5k over 5 years

Again, this is not even considering that most Boss owners likely paid at least MSRP, and most 1LE owners paid well below it. In the end, the Boss may retain higher asking prices, but it wasn't necessarily a better investment, especially if the 1LE is a better performer.

Plus when you look at the asking price of both cars now and factor in the original MSRP the gap is still the same or very similar.

[kttxz06]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Well if you go by the numbers...a stock ZL1 makes, let's say, 560 to the wheels. So if you hit a 5th or 6th Gen SS with 8-10 psi it would make either the same amount or more. So it would be able to run 11s and high 10s depending on other variables and supporting mods. Same with a GT. But you could have said the same thing about the 13-14 GT500 or any other car. What does any of that really prove? It just means that a car can be modded to beat a stock car. So yea a GT or SS with boost, LTs, suspension mods, and other goodies would probably beat a stock ZL1.

And for sure they pushed the envelope. That much is evident by the fact that they had trans issues and only posted 1 slip after driving an hour and a half to get to the track. So if that one slip represents the only run they made then either something happened to the car or they couldn't get something right or who knows what. Who drives that long for only 1 run? If they did more than 1 run then I'd like to see those slips. So they left out a lot of critical info. Was it perhaps a glory run? Something go boom? LOL!!

Btw, I saw MAK's run. They also forgot to mention it had DR's and skinnies. I mean, is it protocol for Mustang owners to leave these kinds of mods out. They keep acting like they took a stock Mustang off the fkng dealership floor, slapped a charger on it and it ran 142 trap speed. Jeezus Christ. They keep showing how stupid they are with their claims.

And I'm with you. Once you start modding, arguing about what car stock is better is pointless. And I noticed another thing. How come Mopar guys never come in here? I just now noticed it's ONLY the Mustang trolls. It's like they NEED to prove something to us.

[kttxz06]

Does this look like a stock...........charger only Mustang? Again, you Mustang chodes need to STFU. This is the...........charger only, 840 hp car that ya'll keep claiming about. It has.........multiple mods. More mods than I can even count. Nice try tho trying to claim a stock GT ran 840 hp with just a blower. Haha, oh man. You guys crack me up. Btw, nice build by MAK, but it's nowhere near..................STOCK. This car has more mods on it than my Zl1. So, if you are going to come in here and claim a new hero run or dyno king, please do the rest of us the honors and come clean with the actual car and not the "made up" car that you guys love doing.

So, now the new rumor mill is...............Stock, with blower only runs 10's.

[kttxz06]

https://www.facebook.com/IAmTaiBoogi...4266670660113/

Congrats Mustang owners. You can't even make this up.

[whiteboyblues2001]

Originally Posted by kttxz06

https://www.facebook.com/IAmTaiBoogi...4266670660113/

Congrats Mustang owners. You can't even make this up.

Okay, wow! Apparently autonomous driving can't come soon enough for the Mustang folks. Probably why the GT500 is so late to the party. It has to be completely stupid proof.