[Need4Camaro]

Originally Posted by wavsine

Perhaps, but there is still something wrong because he stated:



The button on the dash should still turn the car off even if the fob is absent.

I had a 1LT V6 and the Remote Sensor (under the cup holder) failed. When it did, I was also unable to turn the car OFF. So he may be right.

Originally Posted by Number 3

Sorry, but GM is NOT lazy or afraid to do it.

Excluding the FMVSS regulations, you would need to ensure the car is in neutral and ensure the park brake is engaged. So if you even wanted such a feature, you would have to be in neutral with the park brake engaged, and not everyone does that. And on TOP of that you would need an interlock that prevented the car from being shifted out of neutral into any gear. Note if you remote start an automatic, you CANNOT shift out of park until after you hit the start button and in order to do that you need the key fob IN THE CAR. So it is pretty impractical for a manual transmission. Has NOTHING to do with fear or laziness.

So you need to sense neutral (done), sense park brake engaged (workable) and an interlock on the shift lever that prevents shifting out of neutral until the ignition switch is pressed with the key fob in the car (could possibly but do you really want the mass and complexity of that). And you may have to change the FMVSS regs as well, I'm not sure doing those 3 things actually meet the standard.


If the fob is not in the car and you can't move? What is your proposal when the battery in the fob dies? And generally when you try to start the vehicle it will tell you no fob is detected.

Again, everyone seems to want to be piling on GM for an extremely rare occurrence experienced by the OP.

The interlock would be a cake walk for GM. Skipshift is an example of such an interlock that has existed since the 90's.

As for keeping the car in Nuetral with the parking brake applied, owners would know if they wanted to remote start the vehicle, those two conditions would have to be met. Sure they don't HAVE to park like that, but its just something they would know to do IF they want to remote start.

Originally Posted by wavsine

One thing people don't understand is that many modern cars that still have keyed ignitions start in exactly the same way as pushbutton start. There is not a direct connection from the key to the starter solenoid as in older cars. Turning the key (or pushing the start button) simply sends a signal to the computer to initiate a start sequence.

While there is truth in this, with Keyed Ignition vehicles, its easier to replicate the key or any resistor necessary to fool the computer into cranking the vehicle than it is a wireless signal from a fob which requires you to duplicate it from the existing remote thus making wireless cars harder to steal...yet easier at the same time IF you have the right tools and the fob is in range.

Originally Posted by drperry

Aftermarket systems require you to follow a set of procedures to activate the remote start system ability. GM could easily get it done. But they don't want to for liability or the extra work involved.

It could easily be installed on the M6 cars, but GM refuses to do it, lol.

Would be a lot nicer using on-star/OEM for remote starting vs. aftermarket solutions.

The aftermarket stuff connects to your neutral sensor, park brake sensor, and clutch switch.

GM already has a gear lock device installed on the car (skip shift)... But you can't put a manual car into gear while it's running without pressing the clutch, anyways... Which, in aftermarket systems, when you press the clutch without the vehicle in "run" the engine shuts off.

As for the fob dying, as I said, when it loses signal, if you're moving above a certain speed, it stays running for safety reasons. Anything under 5MPH it can shut down.

If the batter on the fob dies, you put your dead key fob in the appropriate cup holder, where it likely gets charged by the inductive charging system, to keep the signal active.

They could easily rig it all up, but they don't want to. And they could do it to pass all safety regulations, but that's extra work/liability on the couple extra parts.

At the very least, a low speed shut down if the clutch gets depressed without the fob in the car, would be easy to program.

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They can't have the car just shutting down while in motion at ANY speed just because a Fob isn't there. NHTSA would be down their throat. If the Fob were removed from the vehicle and the vehicle is already in motion, that vehicle is likely in traffic...imagine coming to the first stop light on a one lane each way road and you left your key at home and suddenly...after coming to a complete stop...PUT... you're blocking traffic...and you need a tow.

What would be more realistic is to shut the vehicle down after releasing the parking brake (which means you are currently parked, key is not in the car, and you're trying to leave without the key.)