[kttxz06]

next they'll be saying a GT is an overall better car than the new ZR1.

[ULTRAZLS1]

Originally Posted by germanicus

Maryland in December! With its mythical DA and perfect track conditions! MIR?

As much as I am proud of my state, im not sure thats where you want to hang your hat argumentatively.

The fact that there are 'Mustang shops' that 'went and did a rental' is telling of what exactly? That there is a more robust aftermarket and interest for that particular vehicle? It says to me they want to make money. Maybe if Camaro sales were better they too would have the market presence to support similar aftermarket businesses. Plenty room for improvement!

I didn't have any expectations. I am simply observing the results. They are pretty telling. Sample size tells a lot. Still doesn't explain the necessity to poop all over the results out of some misguided defense mechanism for god knows what reason? (lack of self confidence? Associated ego fragility?)

And which party would that be? The sales party?

Anyway, its a drivers race now stock.
Should be fun.

Sample size tells nothing. You could have 100 mustangs run in florida on a 100 degree day and get a terrible average.

Results from more sample size comes from experienced drivers getting to the track in good DA and prep.

All of which you had rolled into one with this track rental. All of which the SS that ran 11s stock when it first came out. SO again your argument that its ahead of the game form sample size is retarded.

Don't care about sales so ok enjoy that

lol talking to us about ego fragility and lack of confidence. You are the one on a Camaro forum trying to prop up the mustang.

And I didn't poop on any results. I called them what they were. Above average. You got to have something wrong with you to think a rental in negative DA wont be above average. This is like the twilight zone

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by germanicus

However you want to spin it, or stick your head in the sand, after THREE WEEKS of availability there are stock GT's running flat 12.0. 3 weeks. Against over 2 years of 2ss, and the BEST you have to show are 4 results which are faster. TWO YEARS. All of which are under .1 second difference.

Slot that tuner, track rental 12.02 run amongst the top 10 on this forums fast list. Rather middle of the pack. No?



Now you're expecting a parade?

Originally Posted by germanicus

spin spin spin spin

[SSfriendly]

Originally Posted by 1295/SS

Tires and a tune won't touch a ZL1. You sound like a teenager.

Did you not see the run lund did on their E85 tune with wheels/tires (17" MT R drag radials)? The 11.31 @ 124mph puts it squarely at number 2 on the ZL1 fast list.

[ULTRAZLS1]

Originally Posted by hotlap

Slot that tuner, track rental 12.02 run amongst the top 10 on this forums fast list. Rather middle of the pack. No?

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Now you're expecting a parade?

Conditions don't matter. Its the timeframe and sample size.

[SSfriendly]

Originally Posted by SuperSound

Last I checked, it ran a 11.56@122 on tune and drag pack. That's slower than half of the ZL1 stock runs on the list. It ran faster with E85, but that's another mod too. Comparing a car on tires purposely designed for drag racing to a car on street tires designed for street/track duty is stupid to begin with. Because someone else out there is always going to have more.

And E85 tune isn't another mod...it's a tune.

[FastCarFanBoy]

Originally Posted by SuperSound

Last I checked, it ran a 11.56@122 on tune and drag pack. That's slower than half of the ZL1 stock runs on the list. It ran faster with E85, but that's another mod too. Comparing a car on tires purposely designed for drag racing to a car on street tires designed for street/track duty is stupid to begin with. Because someone else out there is always going to have more.

think hes referring to the e85 tune , it went 11.31 @124.xx iirc... pretty solid pass for the mods.

[kttxz06]

well, since anything goes with the Ford Fanboys. Here ya go. Just a 9.2 with boltons and tune and tires. Nothing to see here. We can play this game all day long.

[ULTRAZLS1]

Originally Posted by SSfriendly

Did you not see the run lund did on their E85 tune with wheels/tires (17" MT R drag radials)? The 11.31 @ 124mph puts it squarely at number 2 on the ZL1 fast list.

A guy just went 10s at 128 stock it hasn't been updated (big shock everyone going the fastest right now...except for mustangs lol)

A ZL1 with a drag pack and e85 in negative DA would probably run mid 10s over 130

[SSfriendly]

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

A guy just went 10s at 128 stock it hasn't been updated (big shock everyone going the fastest right now...except for mustangs lol)

A ZL1 with a drag pack and e85 in negative DA would probably run mid 10s over 130

A couple things. First off, while Lunds runs were in great air, they were sill about 1000DA off from what most would consider "hero" weather.

Second, That still doesn't change the fact that a tune and tire (drag radial) MY18 just ran third (the list has 2 and the times mixed) on the current ZL1 best list. If it makes you feel better, call it fourth. That's not withing spitting distance, that's quick enough to compete head to head. Hell, he made it look easy.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not claiming the GT has anywhere near the ZL1 power. But it's a hell of a lot closer than I personally thought it would achieve with just a tune and wheels/tires.

[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by SSfriendly

And E85 tune isn't another mod...it's a tune.

Oh so 100 octane gas and tune is considered the same as 91 octane gas and tune? What about 130 octane? Pretty sure everyone lists E85 as a mod itself since you actually need the gas to make it work. Even Lund lists it as "But wait, there’s more! 11.31 at 124 MPH!
Tune, Tire, e85."

Originally Posted by FastCarFanBoy

think hes referring to the e85 tune , it went 11.31 @124.xx iirc... pretty solid pass for the mods.

Kind of gain you would expect for E85 on DI. Definitely one of the best bangs for the buck.

[ULTRAZLS1]

Originally Posted by SSfriendly

A couple things. First off, while Lunds runs were in great air, they were sill about 1000DA off from what most would consider "hero" weather.

Second, That still doesn't change the fact that a tune and tire (drag radial) MY18 just ran third (the list has 2 and the times mixed) on the current ZL1 best list. If it makes you feel better, call it fourth. That's not withing spitting distance, that's quick enough to compete head to head. Hell, he made it look easy.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not claiming the GT has anywhere near the ZL1 power. But it's a hell of a lot closer than I personally thought it would achieve with just a tune and wheels/tires.

You get roughly a tenth from another 1000. Its very close to best case scenario. Which is what ive said all along.
I never said it was absolute best conditions. Most never see better than -500. So to me -500 is as good as it gets. Even worse than that for some. My tracks close when it gets cold enough for that. And im at 600-1000 elevation to start.

It wasn't tune and tire. It had drag pack. Lighter wheels and tires all around. Very small in the front. That's good for a tenth or two over just a tire on the stock 20s.

It hasn't done anything my car hasn't done or was capable of.

I went 11.6 with no tune. Then skipped to more mods. E85 gives 30-40 rwhp gain. Id have been right with it. But not as much trap speed id guess. But ive never ran at that track. E85 gives huge gains on these high comp DI motors. More than any other mod I did by far.

Other than that comparing modded cars on a tire to stock cars on stock tires is kinda pointless.

[SSfriendly]

Originally Posted by SuperSound

Oh so 100 octane gas and tune is considered the same as 91 octane gas and tune? What about 130 octane? Pretty sure everyone lists E85 as a mod itself since you actually need the gas to make it work. Even Lund lists it as "But wait, there’s more! 11.31 at 124 MPH!
Tune, Tire, e85."



Kind of gain you would expect for E85 on DI. Definitely one of the best bangs for the buck.

Nope, I didn't say it was the same. But it's still just considered a tune (flex fuel) and wheels/tires. The fact that it's for E85 doesn't magically make it something additional on top of a normal tune.

No one at M6G lists E85 as an additional mod. Unlike the camaro, it doesn't require any additional hardware.

If you buy a 93 octane tune over a 91 octane tune...you wouldn't consider it an additional mod. E85 is the same thing (for the mustang).

[SSfriendly]

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

You get roughly a tenth from another 1000. Its very close to best case scenario. Which is what ive said all along.
I never said it was absolute best conditions. Most never see better than -500. So to me -500 is as good as it gets. Even worse than that for some. My tracks close when it gets cold enough for that. And im at 600-1000 elevation to start.

It wasn't tune and tire. It had drag pack. Lighter wheels and tires all around. Very small in the front. That's good for a tenth or two over just a tire on the stock 20s.

It hasn't done anything my car hasn't done or was capable of.

I went 11.6 with no tune. Then skipped to more mods. E85 gives 30-40 rwhp gain. Id have been right with it. But not as much trap speed id guess. But ive never ran at that track. E85 gives huge gains on these high comp DI motors. More than any other mod I did by far.

I've ran at Stanton and Milan during late fall with - DA. Stanton typically had better weather...and a much lighter crowd.

I don't disagree, it's not the norm. But there will be faster hero times to come for the mustang...you can count on that.

Again, I'm not saying the MY18 is a world beater...but it looks like an E85 tune on a MY18 is no cake walk for a stock ZL1.