[Spanky1]

Originally Posted by Frank237

Like most pain in the ass , modern problems...it can be traced back to a ****ing LAWYER.

Imagine our lives....without the constant fear of LIABILITY? Like it used to be when I was a kid.

Totally agree!

[Spanky1]

Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes

Most likely, can be traced back to a shop not being responsible, such as having the customer sign a waiver for non-runflats and not holding them liable/ensuring the customer is educated on the difference. Usually negligence is involved in these cases and it's unfortunate when it affects the rest of us negatively, but there's often an entity that was operating pretty recklessly to get to this point. Not everyone sits there and sifts through what tires they want before they get to the shop, many just choose whatever is cheapest when they get there. True, they should know what they are getting, but they also can't expected to be an instant encyclopedia of tire brands and offerings. Usually there's more going on than we hear about down the road and it's easy to just blame the lawyers, in some cases it's justified, especially when companies are throwing out lawsuits just to obstruct with no real goal or expectation, but in many cases it's because many businesses/entities couldn't "self-regulate" and wouldn't make changes or take the appropriate action when they screwed up. Again, sometimes the results are unfortunate, but based on my knowledge of these types of cases, it's not solely on the lawyers and they usually don't bring a case unless they have some pretty good reason, we just don't often hear all of the reasons and facts.

Sounds like someone's a lawyer or got one in the family

[JamesNoBrakes]

Originally Posted by Spanky1

Sounds like someone's a lawyer or got one in the family

No, but I have direct knowledge of many cases, and some of the stuff that I know would blow your mind. Some of the gross negligence and recklessness that people thought they could get away with just defy all imagination. As a matter of human nature, the issue is usually a "culture" of poor practices, poor safety, negligence, etc., and after a while it becomes "comfortable" for an organization to operate like this day to day. Usually the test is "a reasonable person", would a "reasonable person" do such and such, act such a way, etc. I know of many frivolous cases too, but a large part our ability to live safely day to day is based on the protections from some of these cases.

[CruzySS]

Originally Posted by Glen e

Trust me the guy waiting on you in a tire dealership doesn’t give a damn about “losing a sale”… He’s just trying to get through the day and go home, watch cable and drink beer.

Couldn't of said it better!

[sengli]

With my C6 Z06, they didnt even bat an eye when I bought non run flat tires from a big name nationwide tire dealer, as replacements. I know they wont sell you cheap non speed rated tires on these higher performance cars. That issue makes sense.

[DevilsReject97]

Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes

No, but I have direct knowledge of many cases, and some of the stuff that I know would blow your mind. Some of the gross negligence and recklessness that people thought they could get away with just defy all imagination. As a matter of human nature, the issue is usually a "culture" of poor practices, poor safety, negligence, etc., and after a while it becomes "comfortable" for an organization to operate like this day to day. Usually the test is "a reasonable person", would a "reasonable person" do such and such, act such a way, etc. I know of many frivolous cases too, but a large part our ability to live safely day to day is based on the protections from some of these cases.

^^^^^^^^^^^ EXACTLY!!!!

Like the moron woman who thought it would be a great idea to put hot coffee between her thighs without a lid on the cup.... or the 500023002103 morons I see running around for weeks on 2 donuts on their car with 20" wheels on the other two...

At some point, shops have to protect themselves from idiots...at the same token....shops like those that let people do that crap is why we have half the problems we do now...

[90503]

Once upon a time, many years ago, a tire store wouldn't sell me a set of tires I thought would look nice on my boy's '95 Explorer....He explained that even though they could fit, it was illegal for the tire store to install them due to the specs of the vehicle regarding height and roll-over problems.....or something along those lines. He could only sell and install tires for the vehicle that were an approved size.....I don't think he was trying to get out of a sale, just trying to do the right thing....no biggie...I bought tires that were the right size for the vehicle....

[FeloJr65]

I deal with a local Tires Plus store, and within the past month, the GM had no issues selling me and installing Firestone Indy 500s on my 2016 Camaro SS, and Michelin Pilot Sport 4S on my brother's 2015 Corvette Z51. Both cars originally had RunOnFlats.
As many of you have mentioned, many retailers simply just follow a policy of "like" replacement in order to avoid potential legal issues - i.e. limit their liability.
Others are more flexible.
In my opinion RunOnFlat tires are horrible. I rather have regular ultra high performance tires, and carry a can of FixAFlat and an a small electric compressor (if needed). Bottom line both are going to give me enough driving distance to get my car to a tire shop. If the issue is a catastrophic tire failure, then no matter what, I will have to have my car flat bedded to a tire shop.

[JamesNoBrakes]

Originally Posted by DevilsReject97

^^^^^^^^^^^ EXACTLY!!!!

Like the moron woman who thought it would be a great idea to put hot coffee between her thighs without a lid on the cup....

You should really look up the real and complete story on that case. Most of the information is now readily available for that one. It's not what a lot of people think/assume.

[DevilsReject97]

Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes

You should really look up the real and complete story on that case. Most of the information is now readily available for that one. It's not what a lot of people think/assume.

I have, and my position/opinion of it still hasn't changed. If you're going to position something hot without a lid (even if the coffee was too hot to begin with) between your knees in a sitting position, you have to accept responsibility for what happens at that point. I worked in a coffee shop, and we were routinely reminded to always put a lid on things and remind customers that these things were hot.

[JamesNoBrakes]

Originally Posted by DevilsReject97

I have, and my position/opinion of it still hasn't changed. If you're going to position something hot without a lid (even if the coffee was too hot to begin with) between your knees in a sitting position, you have to accept responsibility for what happens at that point. I worked in a coffee shop, and we were routinely reminded to always put a lid on things and remind customers that these things were hot.

There's a lot more than "it was too hot". It's true that if you are putting it between your legs, you "own" a part of that, but there was some significant negligence on the company's part, not just due to the temp, I believe the company self-incriminated themselves on some of the issues concerning this if I recall (without going back to the details). There also has to be a "worst case" scenario, like the guy hands the cup over and drops it, it spills, through no "fault" of anyone, because **** like that happens, now, how badly do you "deserve" to get maimed?-given that it's at a temperature that causes serious injuries. Is this a likely scenario? Yes. I believe, again if I'm recalling this correctly, there were other cases against the company that the prosecution/opposing counsel was able to show where there were similar accidents and lawsuits, where the company had admitted fault due to the temperature it was served at.

[DevilsReject97]

Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes

There's a lot more than "it was too hot". It's true that if you are putting it between your legs, you "own" a part of that, but there was some significant negligence on the company's part, not just due to the temp, I believe the company self-incriminated themselves on some of the issues concerning this if I recall (without going back to the details). There also has to be a "worst case" scenario, like the guy hands the cup over and drops it, it spills, through no "fault" of anyone, because **** like that happens, now, how badly do you "deserve" to get maimed?-given that it's at a temperature that causes serious injuries. Is this a likely scenario? Yes. I believe, again if I'm recalling this correctly, there were other cases against the company that the prosecution/opposing counsel was able to show where there were similar accidents and lawsuits, where the company had admitted fault due to the temperature it was served at.

Notice, I didn't say she deserved anything. I just merely pointed out that her actions led to the burning as much as the coffee being too hot. If she had left it in the cup and the cup had broken, something to that effect...

My whole point was that people routinely do stuff just like this, and regardless of what happened, want to blame someone else.... the lady in the case didnt deserve to be maimed or anything remotely close to that....but hey...if i take and order a hot drink, i would expect it to possibly burn me if i spill it on myself...

[JamesNoBrakes]

Originally Posted by DevilsReject97

but hey...if i take and order a hot drink, i would expect it to possibly burn me if i spill it on myself...

Yep, but that wasn't the issue here. The severity of the burns in this and the other documented cases before it against the same company indicated burns of a nature that exceeded what was deemed to be reasonable (3rd degree burns). So it reasons that if you are passing it from building into a car, it should either be in a spill-proof container tested as such, or at a level that if inadvertently spilled, wouldn't cause 3rd degree burns. That definitely wasn't the only issue here, but one of them. Again, the company had already settled previous cases and set a president that they knew the temperature/serving mechanism was beyond reasonable by the time this came along...

[warriordave927]

Definitely a liability thing like how some shops wont install or repair a tire if your missing a lug nut or have broken wheel studs