[ULTRAZLS1]

Originally Posted by SSfriendly

A good listen on exactly what Lund did to achieve their times...

https://youtu.be/tlifLimQEPI

It looks like the change in transmission tune along with the 10HP bump from their 93 octane tune was good for 0.4

I wonder if they have a lot of TM? I dropped .2 just from removing that. Car launched harder

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by FastCarFanBoy

you really should read what others have posted before making yourself look silly next time.

Take your own advice...

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by FastCarFanBoy

Lets break down the 6th gen bone stock A8 fast list...

1) about .1 faster than lunds GT in -1000da
2).05 faster in +183da
3).02 faster in in -985da
4).01 faster in -342

So 4 cars have been faster 2 of them in ~500 better air.

what about the other 26 cars on the list that ran slower? Some of those are in negative d/a...does that make the Mustang faster? of course not. You are drawing conclusions from the GT with far to small of a sample size. The cars are a wash and it is absolutely a drivers race at this point. If you think there wont be bone stock 11 second passes from the GT , you're kidding yourself.



No that would be the Z28...it never matched the GT350's 12.1@119 as tested by the absolute authorities of automotive performance at a big magazine

I like how you completely ignore that quite a few SS Camaros made it into the 11s. So if you take the best recorded runs of the bone stock 18 GT against the best recorded runs of the 6th Gen Camaro SS then you have closer to 2 tenths of a second difference. In fact, you wouldn't even be in the top 5, lol!! These shops and tuners are running in the best possible conditions and still can't break 11s when we've been in the 11s in less than ideal conditions. What about that confuses you?

[BlaqWhole]

These guys talked all this shit that the GT would be faster. And now that they see it isn't they're throwing out every excuse in the book. Even trying to downplay the difference, lol!! On top of that it isn't gonna even be close when they get on the track. And the PP2 ain't gonna put up much of a fight against the 1LE. On top of the GT350 about to get axed. And still no word on the GT500. Sucks to be a Ford guy these days.

[germanicus]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

These guys talked all this shit that the GT would be faster. And now that they see it isn't they're throwing out every excuse in the book. Even trying to downplay the difference, lol!! On top of that it isn't gonna even be close when they get on the track. And the PP2 ain't gonna put up much of a fight against the 1LE. On top of the GT350 about to get axed. And still no word on the GT500. Sucks to be a Ford guy these days.

You sound really desperate in these posts. Its hard to take seriously.
Grasping at straws. Why such vitriol and defensiveness?

However you want to spin it, or stick your head in the sand, after THREE WEEKS of availability there are stock GT's running flat 12.0. 3 weeks. Against over 2 years of 2ss, and the BEST you have to show are 4 results which are faster. TWO YEARS. All of which are under .1 second difference.

Let that settle for a moment.

You realize that wheels/tires and tune gets the new GT faster than every single stock zl1 except for ONE on your fast list? A 650hp car. That's bananas. I get it, if I dropped mid 60 grand on a supercharged 650 hp car, and 3 weeks after the new GT came out people beat 99% of the recorded stock runs on your fast list with a drag pack set of wheels and tune, I might be upset as well!

Of course, its all together possible that you and others here don't totally define their sense of self worth based on how OTHERS perform in the car they own. Or how they perceive OTHERS perceive their car? Surely its not just about internet bragging rights? Its just hard to tell with how sensitive people seem to be!

R-E-L-A-X

Whether it fits your view, the GT350 has been a huge success for Ford. For all the talk of ATP in defense of the dismal Camaro sales over the past 2 years, what pray tell do you think the ATP is when they *continue* to sell at $20,000 above msrp? Is that an indication of bad sales for the GT350? Taking second place in 2016 MT Best Drivers car, only to have been beaten by a McLaren?

spin spin spin spin

[ULTRAZLS1]

Originally Posted by germanicus

You sound really desperate in these posts. Its hard to take seriously.
Grasping at straws. Why such vitriol and defensiveness?

However you want to spin it, or stick your head in the sand, after THREE WEEKS of availability there are stock GT's running flat 12.0. 3 weeks. Against over 2 years of 2ss, and the BEST you have to show are 4 results which are faster. TWO YEARS. All of which are under .1 second difference.

Let that settle for a moment.

You realize that wheels/tires and tune gets the new GT faster than every single stock zl1 except for ONE on your fast list? A 650hp car. That's bananas. I get it, if I dropped mid 60 grand on a supercharged 650 hp car, and 3 weeks after the new GT came out people beat 99% of the recorded stock runs on your fast list with a drag pack set of wheels and tune, I might be upset as well!

Of course, its all together possible that you and others here don't totally define their sense of self worth based on how OTHERS perform in the car they own. Or how they perceive OTHERS perceive their car? Surely its not just about internet bragging rights? Its just hard to tell with how sensitive people seem to be!

R-E-L-A-X

Whether it fits your view, the GT350 has been a huge success for Ford. For all the talk of ATP in defense of the dismal Camaro sales over the past 2 years, what pray tell do you think the ATP is when they *continue* to sell at $20,000 above msrp? Is that an indication of bad sales for the GT350? Taking second place in 2016 MT Best Drivers car, only to have been beaten by a McLaren?

spin spin spin spin

Just answer this question. What kind of time did you expect from a track rental in Maryland in December? If the cars are comparable It should be running that time. You make it sound like its ahead of the game for the timeframe. Its not. Its just the mustang crowd always has something to prove and goes to the extreme. No Camaro shop has ever went and did a rental like that.

Stock SS ran 11s right after it came out. Again. It didnt take 2 years. There are also 11.8 slips stock to the tire from facebook.
SS A8 also went 11.0 with wheels/tires, tune and stock ported manifold/tb. Full weight.

That GT needed a tune with its drag pack to beat my stock tune drag pack time.

yawn

e85 is the single biggest NA hp gain mod one can do on these newer high comp DI motors. The SS gains 30-40 rwhp from it as well. Again...welcome to the party

[kttxz06]

Originally Posted by germanicus

You sound really desperate in these posts. Its hard to take seriously.
Grasping at straws. Why such vitriol and defensiveness?

However you want to spin it, or stick your head in the sand, after THREE WEEKS of availability there are stock GT's running flat 12.0. 3 weeks. Against over 2 years of 2ss, and the BEST you have to show are 4 results which are faster. TWO YEARS. All of which are under .1 second difference.

Let that settle for a moment.

You realize that wheels/tires and tune gets the new GT faster than every single stock zl1 except for ONE on your fast list? A 650hp car. That's bananas. I get it, if I dropped mid 60 grand on a supercharged 650 hp car, and 3 weeks after the new GT came out people beat 99% of the recorded stock runs on your fast list with a drag pack set of wheels and tune, I might be upset as well!

Of course, its all together possible that you and others here don't totally define their sense of self worth based on how OTHERS perform in the car they own. Or how they perceive OTHERS perceive their car? Surely its not just about internet bragging rights? Its just hard to tell with how sensitive people seem to be!

R-E-L-A-X

Whether it fits your view, the GT350 has been a huge success for Ford. For all the talk of ATP in defense of the dismal Camaro sales over the past 2 years, what pray tell do you think the ATP is when they *continue* to sell at $20,000 above msrp? Is that an indication of bad sales for the GT350? Taking second place in 2016 MT Best Drivers car, only to have been beaten by a McLaren?

spin spin spin spin

Bwahahahahaha. So, a tune only and tires GT will romp on a ZL1? Ahhhhhhhhhhhh, more of thePills offspring keep making their way over here. Notice it was quiet until the new Mustang came out? They are trolling hard. I watched 6 videos today of the '18 Mustang getting straight smashed on by a SS. And now, a tune is supposed to make it beat the Zl1. You fkn Ford Fanboys are something else. Let me guess..............remember back a few years ago when you sheep all trolled the Vette forums saying the S550 was an overall better car than the Z06? Remember that? Now, y'all doing it again. This time the GT is now better than a Zl1. Bwahahahahaha. Wtf.

[1295/SS]

Originally Posted by germanicus

You sound really desperate in these posts. Its hard to take seriously.
Grasping at straws. Why such vitriol and defensiveness?

However you want to spin it, or stick your head in the sand, after THREE WEEKS of availability there are stock GT's running flat 12.0. 3 weeks. Against over 2 years of 2ss, and the BEST you have to show are 4 results which are faster. TWO YEARS. All of which are under .1 second difference.

Let that settle for a moment.

You realize that wheels/tires and tune gets the new GT faster than every single stock zl1 except for ONE on your fast list? A 650hp car. That's bananas. I get it, if I dropped mid 60 grand on a supercharged 650 hp car, and 3 weeks after the new GT came out people beat 99% of the recorded stock runs on your fast list with a drag pack set of wheels and tune, I might be upset as well!

Of course, its all together possible that you and others here don't totally define their sense of self worth based on how OTHERS perform in the car they own. Or how they perceive OTHERS perceive their car? Surely its not just about internet bragging rights? Its just hard to tell with how sensitive people seem to be!

R-E-L-A-X

Whether it fits your view, the GT350 has been a huge success for Ford. For all the talk of ATP in defense of the dismal Camaro sales over the past 2 years, what pray tell do you think the ATP is when they *continue* to sell at $20,000 above msrp? Is that an indication of bad sales for the GT350? Taking second place in 2016 MT Best Drivers car, only to have been beaten by a McLaren?

spin spin spin spin

Tires and a tune won't touch a ZL1. You sound like a teenager.

[kttxz06]

Originally Posted by 1295/SS

Tires and a tune won't touch a ZL1. You sound like a teenager.

Thank you!!! It will need FBO to run a Zl1. Plus tires. FBO meaning, full bolts ons, plus fuel and tires. Oh yea, and the tune. It will need all of that and prob more. Every since this new '18 has come out, Ford fanboys are hard at trolling again. It's expected.

[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by germanicus

You realize that wheels/tires and tune gets the new GT faster than every single stock zl1 except for ONE on your fast list? A 650hp car. That's bananas. I get it, if I dropped mid 60 grand on a supercharged 650 hp car, and 3 weeks after the new GT came out people beat 99% of the recorded stock runs on your fast list with a drag pack set of wheels and tune, I might be upset as well!

Last I checked, it ran a 11.56@122 on tune and drag pack. That's slower than half of the ZL1 stock runs on the list. It ran faster with E85, but that's another mod too. Comparing a car on tires purposely designed for drag racing to a car on street tires designed for street/track duty is stupid to begin with. Because someone else out there is always going to have more.

[kttxz06]

Originally Posted by SuperSound

Last I checked, it ran a 11.56@122 on tune and drag pack. That's slower than half of the ZL1 stock runs on the list. It ran faster with E85, but that's another mod too. Comparing a car on tires purposely designed for drag racing to a car on street tires designed for street/track duty is stupid to begin with. Because someone else out there is always going to have more.

Game. Set. Match. And that was a hero run in ideal air w driver mod.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by kttxz06

Bwahahahahaha. So, a tune only and tires GT will romp on a ZL1? Ahhhhhhhhhhhh, more of thePills offspring keep making their way over here. Notice it was quiet until the new Mustang came out? They are trolling hard. I watched 6 videos today of the '18 Mustang getting straight smashed on by a SS. And now, a tune is supposed to make it beat the Zl1. You fkn Ford Fanboys are something else. Let me guess..............remember back a few years ago when you sheep all trolled the Vette forums saying the S550 was an overall better car than the Z06? Remember that? Now, y'all doing it again. This time the GT is now better than a Zl1. Bwahahahahaha. Wtf.

True, true and true. Two years late to the party but think Ford has started a revolution.

[germanicus]

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

Just answer this question. What kind of time did you expect from a track rental in Maryland in December? If the cars are comparable It should be running that time. You make it sound like its ahead of the game for the timeframe. Its not. Its just the mustang crowd always has something to prove and goes to the extreme. No Camaro shop has ever went and did a rental like that.

Stock SS ran 11s right after it came out. Again. It didnt take 2 years. There are also 11.8 slips stock to the tire from facebook.
SS A8 also went 11.0 with wheels/tires, tune and ported manifold/tb. Full weight.

That GT needed a tune with its drag pack to beat my stock tune drag pack time.

yawn

e85 is the single biggest NA hp gain mod one can do on these newer high comp DI motors. The SS gains 30-40 rwhp from it as well. Again...welcome to the party

Maryland in December! With its mythical DA and perfect track conditions! MIR?

As much as I am proud of my state, im not sure thats where you want to hang your hat argumentatively.

The fact that there are 'Mustang shops' that 'went and did a rental' is telling of what exactly? That there is a more robust aftermarket and interest for that particular vehicle? It says to me they want to make money. Maybe if Camaro sales were better they too would have the market presence to support similar aftermarket businesses. Plenty room for improvement!

I didn't have any expectations. I am simply observing the results. They are pretty telling. Sample size tells a lot. Still doesn't explain the necessity to poop all over the results out of some misguided defense mechanism for god knows what reason? (lack of self confidence? Associated ego fragility?)

And which party would that be? The sales party?

Anyway, its a drivers race now stock.
Should be fun.

[kttxz06]

Originally Posted by hotlap

True, true and true. Two years late to the party but think Ford has started a revolution.

Agreed. Camaro is going on now the 3rd year on this platform and Ford still can't get the GT stock for stock to out run it.

I have a Zl1. My buddy has a Stage 3 Roush. He won't even line me up. He knows better. So, now, a stock GT is supposed to run a Zl1 down with just a tune? This is why everyone fkn hates you Ford people.