[MazzaBL]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

I'm in denial because I don't agree with you? Then you're in denial as well. Because I'll say it again, no GT has ever been faster than a top tier Mustang at least in the past 24 years. So is it denial to go off of what the past has shown us in looking at what will happen between the 18 GT and GT350? Nope. It is more likely that I'm right and you aren't. This isn't the norm nor has it been. If it is faster then it is a new thing that Ford has done.


Correction. So far it has not shown itself to actually be faster in a straight line. It was edged out by the GT350 in a rolling start 1/2 mile race.

LMR didn’t run a 12.02? Pretty sure that beats any known Shelby time. I’m not sure why you’re so hung up that the halo mustang has to be the fastest in EVERY performance metric, even those which it wasn’t intended to excel at. The kicker is that in order for the ‘18’s to achieve these times, it has to be equipped with the a10, as well as the PP and magride. I’m curious to see the difference between an a10 car and mt82.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by MazzaBL

LMR didn’t run a 12.02?

SMH

So we're comparing LMR's times to magazine times again? SMH. So if we can compare LMR's run to the magazine runs of the GT350R, then that means the SS is faster than both since they have done 11s bone stock. Which means the SS 1LE not only matched the GT350Rs time at WS, it also is faster in the quarter mile than the Shelby and the 18 GT.

Originally Posted by MazzaBL

I’m not sure why you’re so hung up that the halo mustang has to be the fastest in EVERY performance metric, even those which it wasn’t intended to excel at. The kicker is that in order for the ‘18’s to achieve these times, it has to be equipped with the a10, as well as the PP and magride. I’m curious to see the difference between an a10 car and mt82.

How am I hung up on it? I mentioned it, you guys challenged my statement, and I replied. I'm reinforcing what I believe and what has been the case at least since 1994. What about any of that makes me "hung up" on it? Why are you so hung up on thinking the GT will be faster?

[MazzaBL]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

SMH

So we're comparing LMR's times to magazine times again? SMH. So if we can compare LMR's run to the magazine runs of the GT350R, then that means the SS is faster than both since they have done 11s bone stock. Which means the SS 1LE not only matched the GT350Rs time at WS, it also is faster in the quarter mile than the Shelby and the 18 GT.



How am I hung up on it? I mentioned it, you guys challenged my statement, and I replied. I'm reinforcing what I believe and what has been the case at least since 1994. What about any of that makes me "hung up" on it? Why are you so hung up on thinking the GT will be faster?

Of course, anything that doesn’t fit your narrative you dismiss regardless of whether or not it happend. I’m not hung up on the GT being faster, i just favor reality over being a fan boy or brand loyal. Will it be the faster car in a straight line compared to the SS in an instrumented test? Who knows, we’ll see. But the few 18 GT’s that are out there seem to be running impressive times. Around a track however, I don’t see the GT beating the 1LE, regardless of the spec.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by MazzaBL

Of course, anything that doesn’t fit your narrative you dismiss regardless of whether or not it happend. I’m not hung up on the GT being faster, i just favor reality over being a fan boy or brand loyal. Will it be the faster car in a straight line compared to the SS in an instrumented test? Who knows, we’ll see. But the few 18 GT’s that are out there seem to be running impressive times. Around a track however, I don’t see the GT beating the 1LE, regardless of the spec.

What narrative? Again, are you comparing LMR's time to the magazine testing of the GT350R or what? What exactly are you comparing it to? I have asked that several times and not one of you have answered the question. And what SS times are you comparing it to? Magazine runs? Fast lists? What in your mind makes the comparison fair?

I am not dismissing the 12.02. You simply can't read or you don't understand what I'm saying. I simply said you cannot compare the 12.02 to a magazine time. WTF is soo difficult about that statement that not one of you guys can understand it. I will bet you that even the Mustang guys are saying the same exact thing. Are you arguing with them about it too?

And I am not a fan boy or brand loyal to any manufacturer. I have probably owned more Mustangs than you've owned Camaros. I've modded the hell out of my Mustangs to the point where my New Edge GTs could beat 4th Gen Z28s, 4th Gen Trans Ams, and even some Vettes in the quarter mile. I know more about Mustangs than the typical Mustang fanboys. But I will gladly call the 15-17 Mustangs out for the crap that they are. That does not make me a fanboy. Have you even owned one?

[Speedofsound]

Not too long ago some would say 18 GT would barely scratch 12.5 because 15-17 was a 13sec car. First time out, 3rd pass....12.0s. Bang! Headshot.

[BlaqWhole]

Yea we'll see what it does when it is officially tested. I stand by my comments. Some might do better than a 12.5 depending on how you option it. But I still say mid to high 12s. And I still say the SS will be faster in the quarter and much faster on a track.

[MazzaBL]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

What narrative? Again, are you comparing LMR's time to the magazine testing of the GT350R or what? What exactly are you comparing it to? I have asked that several times and not one of you have answered the question. And what SS times are you comparing it to? Magazine runs? Fast lists? What in your mind makes the comparison fair?

I am not dismissing the 12.02. You simply can't read or you don't understand what I'm saying. I simply said you cannot compare the 12.02 to a magazine time. WTF is soo difficult about that statement that not one of you guys can understand it. I will bet you that even the Mustang guys are saying the same exact thing. Are you arguing with them about it too?

And I am not a fan boy or brand loyal to any manufacturer. I have probably owned more Mustangs than you've owned Camaros. I've modded the hell out of my Mustangs to the point where my New Edge GTs could beat 4th Gen Z28s, 4th Gen Trans Ams, and even some Vettes in the quarter mile. I know more about Mustangs than the typical Mustang fanboys. But I will gladly call the 15-17 Mustangs out for the crap that they are. That does not make me a fanboy. Have you even owned one?

You don’t have to compare the 18 GT times to anything to see the point I’m making. You say you don’t dismiss the 12.02 LMR time yet you claim the GT will be a 12.5+ car. The very few 18 GT times that we currently have to go by already disprove what you’re saying. But I guess they’re all just factory freaks huh? And I’ve even stated in a previous post that the GT has to be optioned with the a10, PP and magride to achieve these low 12’s we’ve been seeing. The mt82 most likely will be a ~12.5 car. My previous 3 cars were mustangs, so yes, I have owned one. I’m not saying the 18 GT is faster than an SS, who knows what both will run on the same day, same track, we’ll see. But they’re already running faster than your claimed 12.5 and “has to be slower than Shelby” claims.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by MazzaBL

You don’t have to compare the 18 GT times to anything to see the point I’m making. You say you don’t dismiss the 12.02 LMR time yet you claim the GT will be a 12.5+ car. The very few 18 GT times that we currently have to go by already disprove what you’re saying. But I guess they’re all just factory freaks huh? And I’ve even stated in a previous post that the GT has to be optioned with the a10, PP and magride to achieve these low 12’s we’ve been seeing. The mt82 most likely will be a ~12.5 car. My previous 3 cars were mustangs, so yes, I have owned one. I’m not saying the 18 GT is faster than an SS, who knows what both will run on the same day, same track, we’ll see. But they’re already running faster than your claimed 12.5 and “has to be slower than Shelby” claims.

OFFICIAL TESTED times bro. Yet again. I have said the same thing countless times. What are you not understanding? It has not been tested officially. All of the Camaro SS and GT350 times are official. LMR's run is not. So you cannot compare it until it is officially tested. WTF? Am I writing in Swahili or something?

[hotlap]

Guys, guys. At least everyone seems to agree the GT350 is a 12.5 car.

What we've learned from the faithful is that the GT, PP, A10, 3.55 gear, Michelin PS in drag race mode will run a 3.90 sec 0-60 and 12.0s @ 119 mph in the 1/4.

In seriousness, like BlaqWhole, I'm looking forward to the H2H and other reviews to see what the average car will do.

Regardless. My 2SS is plenty fast for a driver with warranty and those in the Mustang camp that can afford the higher MSRP are going to be very happy.

Time for me to put my winter tires on.

[MazzaBL]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

OFFICIAL TESTED times bro. Yet again. I have said the same thing countless times. What are you not understanding? It has not been tested officially. All of the Camaro SS and GT350 times are official. LMR's run is not. So you cannot compare it until it is officially tested. WTF? Am I writing in Swahili or something?

Why the hell does it matter who ran the times? I don’t care if Mary poppins or the Keebler elf ran the car down the track. You’re saying we should just ignore all times on the fast list on here because they weren’t “official”? The 18’s just came out so we’ll just have to wait on your “official” times. But real world runs are already in the low 12’s.

[Chadicus]

Originally Posted by MazzaBL

You don’t have to compare the 18 GT times to anything to see the point I’m making. You say you don’t dismiss the 12.02 LMR time yet you claim the GT will be a 12.5+ car. The very few 18 GT times that we currently have to go by already disprove what you’re saying. But I guess they’re all just factory freaks huh? And I’ve even stated in a previous post that the GT has to be optioned with the a10, PP and magride to achieve these low 12’s we’ve been seeing. The mt82 most likely will be a ~12.5 car. My previous 3 cars were mustangs, so yes, I have owned one. I’m not saying the 18 GT is faster than an SS, who knows what both will run on the same day, same track, we’ll see. But they’re already running faster than your claimed 12.5 and “has to be slower than Shelby” claims.

The LMR run was impressive no one is disputing that. However that was the fastest run they had in negative DA on a rented track while altering tire pressure. An official test with instruments will be done exactly as the car comes off the truck with the recommended tire pressure and everything else. Probably won't be run on a negative DA either.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by Chadicus

The LMR run was impressive no one is disputing that. However that was the fastest run they had in negative DA on a rented track while altering tire pressure. An official test with instruments will be done exactly as the car comes off the truck with the recommended tire pressure and everything else. Probably won't be run on a negative DA either.

Thank you. I swear I have been saying this same thing from day 1.

Comparing LMR's time to the Shelby's magazine times and declaring that the GT is faster than the GT350 is not fair by any stretch of the imagination. And that is coming from me as much as I hate the Shelby. It would be equivalent to taking the fastest SS time on our fast list and comparing it to magazine runs and using that to say the SS is faster than the GT350 when we all know it isn't. Or using a YouTube video of someone somewhere running his stock SS and saying that the SS is faster than a Shelby based on magazine times. It is not a legitimate comparison. Maybe this kid doesn't fully understand the concept of tested times vs fast lists or maybe he just has limited intelligence. I don't know. But there is a huge difference in an official test run vs a fast list run.

[MazzaBL]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Thank you. I swear I have been saying this same thing from day 1.

Comparing LMR's time to the Shelby's magazine times and declaring that the GT is faster than the GT350 is not fair by any stretch of the imagination. And that is coming from me as much as I hate the Shelby. It would be equivalent to taking the fastest SS time on our fast list and comparing it to magazine runs and using that to say the SS is faster than the GT350 when we all know it isn't. Or using a YouTube video of someone somewhere running his stock SS and saying that the SS is faster than a Shelby based on magazine times. It is not a legitimate comparison. Maybe this kid doesn't fully understand the concept of tested times vs fast lists or maybe he just has limited intelligence. I don't know. But there is a huge difference in an official test run vs a fast list run.

No where in any of my posts did i say the new GT is faster than any car. I said it’s not unreasonable for it to be faster than the Shelby. We’ll have to wait for the cars to be tested head to head in same conditions to tell. My whole point is that the GT’s are already running faster than the times you’re claiming it will. Forget comparing it to anything, that’s not my point. You feel it will be a 12.5+ car and evidence already disproves your claim. What don’t you understand about that?

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by MazzaBL

No where in any of my posts did i say the new GT is faster than any car.

Really?? You just said it...

Originally Posted by MazzaBL

The ‘15-‘17 GT’s are so far behind the competition that ford had to implement changes to the 5.0 to make it competitive. Those changes just happen to make it faster than the Shelby in a straight line.