[Sven59]

Originally Posted by TheShooter

Interesting, if odd statements...

I own a 2016 Charger Hellcat and a ZL1 is planned for the summer. I've driven two and it took some effort to make a decision as to how I wanted the car.

I have not decided if I will keep the Hellcat, but at the moment I'd like to.

Let's get the nonsense out of the way. The Hellcat is well build and insanely reliable for a car pushing well over 700 HP. BOTH ZL1's I drove have had issues, though minor. Typically, we have fanboys here ready to bash Ford and Dodge and that's a shame.

My friends Challenger has done 10.9 with nothing but DR's and he's not very experienced. I've done low 11's on street tires. These are big room comfortable cruisers with a ton of power and are just loads of fun, even on famous twisty runs like Angeles Crest. Everyone loves the Hellcat.

The ZL1 is amazing. It's going to beat a Hellcat off the line 10 out of 10 times because it's got the right tires and it handles beautifully. It's a fully rounded sports car and the Hellcat is not. But I'm sorry to say that out on a open road the Hellcat feels better in a certain way. It feels faster and unrestrained. It's a monster with a LOT more attitude than the ZL1.

So let's get real. Both cars are likely to be reliable. Enter the Dodge Demon. I'm sorry, but even if it's not a road car like a ZL1, god help you if you try to pull on one. And those who think we won't be seeing 9's are just acting silly. Hellcats see 10.85's all the time. There's so much more tech than the armchair racers here understand.

And don't discount marketing. Artful and creative marketing is part of what makes cars into legends. ZL1 doesn't exactly roll off the tongue and make people excited. 1Le sounds like a special shoe size. Spare me the legacy nonsense. I drive a CHARGER. Lots of legacy right there. Add "Hellcat" and everyone's excited. Add "Demon" and you get more excitement.

Looking forward to my ZL1, but I do love my Hellcat!


R.

So someone is a fanboy because Dodges reliability sucks, we have something called choice in America. Dodge sucks.

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[LateBrakeU2]

Originally Posted by motorhead

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making it the quickest and most powerful street car ever built by an American manufacturer. Quote:

Ummm...Ray Charles could see this one coming

[motorhead]

Originally Posted by TheShooter

Interesting, if odd statements...

I own a 2016 Charger Hellcat and a ZL1 is planned for the summer. I've driven two and it took some effort to make a decision as to how I wanted the car.

I have not decided if I will keep the Hellcat, but at the moment I'd like to.

Let's get the nonsense out of the way. The Hellcat is well build and insanely reliable for a car pushing well over 700 HP. BOTH ZL1's I drove have had issues, though minor. Typically, we have fanboys here ready to bash Ford and Dodge and that's a shame.

My friends Challenger has done 10.9 with nothing but DR's and he's not very experienced. I've done low 11's on street tires. These are big room comfortable cruisers with a ton of power and are just loads of fun, even on famous twisty runs like Angeles Crest. Everyone loves the Hellcat.

The ZL1 is amazing. It's going to beat a Hellcat off the line 10 out of 10 times because it's got the right tires and it handles beautifully. It's a fully rounded sports car and the Hellcat is not. But I'm sorry to say that out on a open road the Hellcat feels better in a certain way. It feels faster and unrestrained. It's a monster with a LOT more attitude than the ZL1.

So let's get real. Both cars are likely to be reliable. Enter the Dodge Demon. I'm sorry, but even if it's not a road car like a ZL1, god help you if you try to pull on one. And those who think we won't be seeing 9's are just acting silly. Hellcats see 10.85's all the time. There's so much more tech than the armchair racers here understand.

And don't discount marketing. Artful and creative marketing is part of what makes cars into legends. ZL1 doesn't exactly roll off the tongue and make people excited. 1Le sounds like a special shoe size. Spare me the legacy nonsense. I drive a CHARGER. Lots of legacy right there. Add "Hellcat" and everyone's excited. Add "Demon" and you get more excitement.

Looking forward to my ZL1, but I do love my Hellcat!


R.

Very well put. Nice to see some common sense hit this thread..
Still think all the ZL1 fanboys wouldn't be piling on this thread if it would be in the correct section on the fourm.

[Raven87]

Originally Posted by TheShooter

The Hellcat is well build and insanely reliable for a car pushing well over 700 HP. BOTH ZL1's I drove have had issues, though minor. Typically, we have fanboys here ready to bash Ford and Dodge and that's a shame.

So let's get real. Both cars are likely to be reliable. Enter the Dodge Demon. I'm sorry, but even if it's not a road car like a ZL1, god help you if you try to pull on one. And those who think we won't be seeing 9's are just acting silly. Hellcats see 10.85's all the time. There's so much more tech than the armchair racers here understand.

And don't discount marketing. Artful and creative marketing is part of what makes cars into legends. ZL1 doesn't exactly roll off the tongue and make people excited. 1Le sounds like a special shoe size. Spare me the legacy nonsense. I drive a CHARGER. Lots of legacy right there. Add "Hellcat" and everyone's excited. Add "Demon" and you get more excitement.

Looking forward to my ZL1, but I do love my Hellcat!


R.

Excellent post. Very well said and I could not agree more.

[motorhead]

Originally Posted by Sven59

So someone is a fanboy because Dodges reliability sucks, we have something called choice in America. Dodge sucks.

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How many Chrysler products have you owned? You keep saying reliability sucks. You must have had a bad experience. I could say Camaro reliability sucks because I had problem with all three gen5s that Ive own and the 10 was a disaster. What are your experiences with Chrysler products. My are very different. I have owned many from Jeep products, trucks, chrysler 300 and challengers. I would have to say the jeeps have been the most problem, but the rest have been just as good as anything else Ive own. And for that matter so has the Jeeps. Every manufacturer has problems hereand there. You read a magazine and make your statement. I would bet that you never owned a modern Chrysler product.

Im not sure why you are still posting in a thread for a car and a car company you hate. I pay no attention to cars and car companies I dont care for. I dont go into a thread about Hondas just to tell everyone they suck. And I was accused of being a troll.

I can PM a mod and ask them to move it the right section if it makes you feel better. Be your afraid you're going to end up liking a Fiat if you let your guard down. Lol

Have a great Friday everyone. Done with this worthless bandering for today. Very busy today.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by motorhead

A car that sells itself doesnt need a bunch of marketing. How are the ZL1s selling? I know the gen5 was really hard to get a hold of from experience. The Challenger isnt any more of a grap car than a Camaro if you mean quality. Ive had several of both each had problems, but I had more major issues with my Camaros. Supercharger on my ZL1 for one and many many issues on my 2010. That car almost ruined me for anything GM, but I understand the first year blues. Every manufacturer experiences it. You can't believe everything you choose to believe from reading the internet. You hate Chrysler products. I get it. That's your right. But Im around a lot of them from friends and family, and they aren't any worse than GM or Ford products in my experiences. Time to hit the hay big day tomorrow.

Later

I personally had no issues in my 10 Camaro SS. Well I had the evap thing go bad at around 40K miles and that was a $600 fix. I had the heated driver seat go bad and that was about $300. And then I had an O2 sensor go bad which was a $90 fix. This was all in 5 years of owning it. So I can't really complain as it has bee a very reliable vehicle.

Originally Posted by motorhead

Very well put. Nice to see some common sense hit this thread..
Still think all the ZL1 fanboys wouldn't be piling on this thread if it would be in the correct section on the fourm.

Chill out with the "ZL1 fanboys comment". It's a bit condescending and off putting. And this IS a Camaro forum and you ARE on the 6th Gen section of it on a ZL1 subforum posting about the Demon. I get it and I'm on your side as I have nothing but good things to say about the Demon. But don't talk down to us like that when you are on our home page. That ain't cool.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by Sven59

So someone is a fanboy because Dodges reliability sucks, we have something called choice in America. Dodge sucks.

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That is your opinion. All you have done is shouted your opinions and gone off on rants about NHRA certifications and other nonsense. Tell you what, when you see a Demon on the road, try to run it and then let us know what happens. Or even a standard Hellcat. Maybe Dodge as a whole isn't the best, I'll give you that. But the Hellcat is a magnificent vehicle. There are enough of us here telling you that. The Demon will be awesome. If someone runs a 9.65, if Dodge lied, if someone runs a 10.5, who cares bro? The car will still be faster than anything out there.

[motorhead]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

I personally had no issues in my 10 Camaro SS. Well I had the evap thing go bad at around 40K miles and that was a $600 fix. I had the heated driver seat go bad and that was about $300. And then I had an O2 sensor go bad which was a $90 fix. This was all in 5 years of owning it. So I can't really complain as it has bee a very reliable vehicle.



Chill out with the "ZL1 fanboys comment". It's a bit condescending and off putting. And this IS a Camaro forum and you ARE on the 6th Gen section of it on a ZL1 subforum posting about the Demon. I get it and I'm on your side as I have nothing but good things to say about the Demon. But don't talk down to us like that when you are on our home page. That ain't cool.

You dont come off as ZL1 fanboy so it wasn't directed at you. Sorry, if I dont understand being that caught in one brand to run everything else down to try and prop up the brand you are caught up in. That ain't cool either. Like I said. This thread should be in the other cars section, so I get why some of you might be not so happy with this thread. I love the ZL1 by the way. It appears to be lightyears ahead of the gen5 I had. Im actively searching out a ZL1 1LE in white as we speak.
Have a good day, and thank you For your comments. I'll take them under advisement.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by motorhead

You dont come off as ZL1 fanboy so it wasn't directed at you. Sorry, if I dont understand being that caught in one brand to run everything else down to try and prop up the brand you are caught up in. That ain't cool either. Like I said. This thread should be in the other cars section, so I get why some of you might be not so happy with this thread. I love the ZL1 by the way. It appears to be lightyears ahead of the gen5 I had. Im actively searching out a ZL1 1LE in white as we speak.
Have a good day, and thank you For your comments. I'll take them under advisement.

Don't sweat it, it's all good. Anyone with half a brain knows that the Demon will be an awesome car. If someone wants to play dumb and act like it'll be anything less than awesome then they aren't even worth arguing with. How anyone can look at a bone stock 808 hp car from the factory and disrespect it is beyond me. Don't let it get to you.

[Sven59]

Just tired of seeing all this Dodge crap in ZL 1 threads. You see very little of it from Mustangs and some of them come here with the pure intention of cutting down Camaros on a Camaro forum. I understand the enthusiasts, but everyone has preferences. I have never owned a Dodge and never would base my opinion on one car. There is more than enough data out there from multiple sources that Dodge is much less reliable than either Ford or Chevy. Plus the engineering is way farther adavanced at GM than Dodge. Dodge will probably be gone in a couple years, Chevy won't.

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[Michael52]

The hellcat may be fast, but I personally don't like the look at all. For my money, the ZL1 is mean, aggressive and looks amazing. the car is a total package.

[FringBirdAloha]

The worst ownership experiences I’ve ever had were with MOPAR vehicles. They’re all garbage that overwhelm and underperform. Two 2000’s jeeps with oil issues, a Hellcat with an unfixable coolant leak, an unfixable gasket issue in a Ram 1500 plus a groaning rear end, and the most uncooperative dealers you ever could work with. A nightmare I never want to relive. Chevy all the way.

[396ssrat]

Originally Posted by Sven59

Just tired of seeing all this Dodge crap in ZL 1 threads. You see very little of it from Mustangs and some of them come here with the pure intention of cutting down Camaros on a Camaro forum. I understand the enthusiasts, but everyone has preferences. I have never owned a Dodge and never would base my opinion on one car. There is more than enough data out there from multiple sources that Dodge is much less reliable than either Ford or Chevy. Plus the engineering is way farther adavanced at GM than Dodge. Dodge will probably be gone in a couple years, Chevy won't.

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I doubt Dodge will be gone. The Viper speaks to the performance capabilty of Chrysler Corp. Many of my friends own Dodge cars and truck and love them. When people come to the Camaro 6 website to investigate you can run them off because you disagree with them or you can rope them in with postive facts about your car. Your choice.
Most new vehicles are light years better than they used to be. I'm an avid Chevy guy but am open to the performance of all cars. No sweat off my butt if I get beat on a dragstrip, I do it for the love of the sport. I'm competitive but not hateful. Just be happy we have options today. The Demon, with a savvy owner will produce results as they have been advertised and likely even better after a bit of time. Car guy nature.

[motorhead]

Originally Posted by Sven59

Just tired of seeing all this Dodge crap in ZL 1 threads. You see very little of it from Mustangs and some of them come here with the pure intention of cutting down Camaros on a Camaro forum. I understand the enthusiasts, but everyone has preferences. I have never owned a Dodge and never would base my opinion on one car. There is more than enough data out there from multiple sources that Dodge is much less reliable than either Ford or Chevy. Plus the engineering is way farther adavanced at GM than Dodge. Dodge will probably be gone in a couple years, Chevy won't.

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I agree and have been saying it all along. This thread needs move to the proper section.

This Gen6 Camaro is an awesome car and the ZL1 takes an already great base to a new level. The Demon takes nothing away from it at all, but the Demon is also awesome as the the Hellcat. I know I love mine.