[motorhead]

Originally Posted by Sven59

Because there isn't, NHRA certifies vehicles not times unless you count the times slips that everyone gets.

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https://www.nhra.com/news/2017/why-d...reet-and-strip

From the article: quote:
In testing at Gainesville Raceway in Florida, the NHRA certified the Demon is capable of running the quarter-mile in 9.650-seconds at 140 mph, making it the quickest and most powerful street car ever built by an American manufacturer. Quote:

From ther site

[Sven59]

Originally Posted by motorhead

https://www.nhra.com/news/2017/why-d...reet-and-strip

From there site.

Where is the one from the hell cat too?

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[ninetres]

Originally Posted by motorhead

Glad you posted that. It brings back fond memories of this thread

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=221434

It went on and on with people blowing holes in the video and article on if the 11.93 was on OEM tires. It never really was proven either way other than GM stating later that it was on OEM tires. Was it really? We'll never know for sure. The real funny thing is that in the article you posted, they claimed you could run in the 11's all day. Well, untrue.. many more were running 12's with only a few at the end of the summer getting into the 11's bone stock on stock tires. Don't get me wrong. I loved that car. I had one. But people blowing off about the Demon's run is no different other than the Demon's time of 9.65 @140mph is NHRA certified and the ZL1'stime was based on what GM said it did.
Will people run that time consistently or at all? Who knows, but it doesnt mean it didnt do it or not capable according to what you yourself posted using the gen5 ZL1's story as an example.

Let’s use this example then since you brought it up: GM says it ran 11:93. Imagine if there was a media hype event with a dozen ZL1s shortly after, and professional car reviews and chevy representatives in attendance could only muster a 13.5 after an entire day racing all the cars. I would be clowning, just like the demon. We all should.

But you guys see a commercial where dodge says, “This pass was uber-ultra NHRA certified by John Force himself!!!1!” And you guys run with it as gospel. Until other expamples start running single digits I think it’s a let down. Hopefully they will once in more hands

[motorhead]

Originally Posted by ninetres

Let’s use this example then since you brought it up: GM says it ran 11:93. Imagine if there was a media hype event with a dozen ZL1s shortly after, and professional car reviews and chevy representatives in attendance could only muster a 13.5 after an entire day racing all the cars. I would be clowning, just like the demon. We all should.

But you guys see a commercial where dodge says, “This pass was uber-ultra NHRA certified by John Force himself!!!1!” And you guys run with it as gospel. Until other expamples start running single digits I think it’s a let down. Hopefully they will once in more hands

People were pissed when the ZL1 was running more often in the 12's, but to me I didnt get that. It wasn't far off the 11.93 GM claimed. My deal is that we don't have one documented time in the real world on a privately owned production demon and you guys are calling BS on a time certified by the worlds very top Drag racing association.
I dont get it at all. If this was a ZL1 and not a Fiat, you guys would be fighting against your own argument all the way. It happen back then. Hell, I was one of them arguing for the ZL1.
And the reason was because that argument was dumb to. Sorry for not being a fanboy of any make. It allows me to appreciate what the innovations from an manufacturer. Believe me, if the Demon comes out and consistently runs much higher numbers with people that know how to run a car down a strip, ill be laughing my ass off at the people that dropped the coin. I just cant believe from being around dragracing for over 35years that it will be more like a 12 or 13 sec car like people are blowing off about. Fiat would definitely lose any ounce of credibility they have left. Maybe they dont care. They are trying to dump Chrysler anyhow. Maybe this is one big FU to America. Who knows.

[motorhead]

Originally Posted by Sven59

Where is the one from the hell cat too?

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Well, did they say it was cerified too? Eventhough I own one I wasnt folllwing them that much at the time. My intrest was the current ZL1, but I got side tracked with a good deal.

[Sven59]

Originally Posted by motorhead

Well, did they say it was cerified too? Eventhough I own one I wasnt folllwing them that much at the time. My intrest was the current ZL1, but I got side tracked with a good deal.

If you research NHRA certification the only thing they certify is vehicles them selves mainly for safety criteria. Now if you are at a NHRA track and you get a timeslip could you spin it and say that it was a NHRA certified run. But so is everyone else at that track. Sounds more like a marketing ploy. I mean if they have the certification why has no one ever seen it. They used it in the hell cat and now they are claiming in another round about fashion.

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[motorhead]

Originally Posted by Sven59

If you research NHRA certification the only thing they certify is vehicles them selves mainly for safety criteria. Now if you are at a NHRA track and you get a timeslip could you spin it and say that it was a NHRA certified run. But so is everyone else at that track. Sounds more like a marketing ploy. I mean if they have the certification why has no one ever seen it. They used it in the hell cat and now they are claiming in another round about fashion.

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Well, NHRA states own their own site that it was certified to be capable of running a 9.65@140mph while testing at Gainesville Raceway thus the reason for the ban because it doesnt have the proper safety equipment to run 9.99 and below.

I really dont know what more information you need. Im going outside to hit myself in the head with a 5lb hammer. Ill be right back. Like I said, I dont know about the hellcat. I gues i need to research my own car more, but I didnt buy it to reach an advertised speed. I stopped serious drag racing years ago, and If I ever do decide to go fast down the 1/4 again , I'll break out my big block 69Dart which its single purpose is haul ass ina straight line. Even though, it wasn't always so straight.

[Sven59]

Originally Posted by motorhead

Well, NHRA states own their own site that it was certified to be capable of running a 9.65@140mph while testing at Gainesville Raceway thus the reason for the ban because it doesnt have the proper safety equipment to run 9.99 and below.

I really dont know what more information you need. Im going outside to hit myself in the head with a 5lb hammer. Ill be right back. Like I said, I dont know about the hellcat. I gues i need to research my own car more, but I didnt buy it to reach an advertised speed. I stopped serious drag racing years ago, and If I ever do decide to go fast down the 1/4 again , I'll break out my big block 69Dart which its single purpose is haul ass ina straight line. Even though, it wasn't always so straight.

Probably a marketing ploy, if Dodge says hey NHRA we have a production car capable of 9.65. NHRA says we'll then you can't run at our track without required safety equipment.

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[motorhead]

Im thinking that maybe you are thinking that Fiat gets some golden paper from the NHRA saying "we herby certify your Dodge will run a 9.5" or some BS to that effect. It just merely means that they ran the car at an NHRA track with NHRA officials saying it actually caused their printer to puke out a time slip with 9.65@140MPH on it just like you are I would do at the track. Im assuming they did the same with the Hellpasta to claim an NHRA of 10.8 or whatever it was.

[motorhead]

Originally Posted by Sven59

Probably a marketing ploy, if Dodge says hey NHRA we have a production car capable of 9.65. NHRA says we'll then you can't run at our track without required safety equipment.

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Its very possible, but if you dont think GM, Ford or anyone else doesn't try to pull the blanket over our eyes with marketing then I have some nice 2000hp pump gas V8s to sell you for a bargin basement price of 50 buck each. How do we know? We dont until people start running them.

[Sven59]

Originally Posted by motorhead

Its very possible, but if you dont think GM, Ford or anyone else doesn't try to pull the blanket over our eyes with marketing then I have some nice 2000hp pump gas V8s to sell you for a bargin basement price of 50 buck each. How do we know? We dont until people start running them.

Actually, I think GMs marketing kind of sucks, it's like they have a superior product marketed poorly and Dodge has a poor product marketed well.

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[motorhead]

Originally Posted by Sven59

Actually, I think GMs marketing kind of sucks, it's like they have a superior product marketed poorly and Dodge has a poor product marketed well.

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A car that sells itself doesnt need a bunch of marketing. How are the ZL1s selling? I know the gen5 was really hard to get a hold of from experience. The Challenger isnt any more of a grap car than a Camaro if you mean quality. Ive had several of both each had problems, but I had more major issues with my Camaros. Supercharger on my ZL1 for one and many many issues on my 2010. That car almost ruined me for anything GM, but I understand the first year blues. Every manufacturer experiences it. You can't believe everything you choose to believe from reading the internet. You hate Chrysler products. I get it. That's your right. But Im around a lot of them from friends and family, and they aren't any worse than GM or Ford products in my experiences. Time to hit the hay big day tomorrow.

Later

[TheShooter]

Interesting, if odd statements...

I own a 2016 Charger Hellcat and a ZL1 is planned for the summer. I've driven two and it took some effort to make a decision as to how I wanted the car.

I have not decided if I will keep the Hellcat, but at the moment I'd like to.

Let's get the nonsense out of the way. The Hellcat is well build and insanely reliable for a car pushing well over 700 HP. BOTH ZL1's I drove have had issues, though minor. Typically, we have fanboys here ready to bash Ford and Dodge and that's a shame.

My friends Challenger has done 10.9 with nothing but DR's and he's not very experienced. I've done low 11's on street tires. These are big room comfortable cruisers with a ton of power and are just loads of fun, even on famous twisty runs like Angeles Crest. Everyone loves the Hellcat.

The ZL1 is amazing. It's going to beat a Hellcat off the line 10 out of 10 times because it's got the right tires and it handles beautifully. It's a fully rounded sports car and the Hellcat is not. But I'm sorry to say that out on a open road the Hellcat feels better in a certain way. It feels faster and unrestrained. It's a monster with a LOT more attitude than the ZL1.

So let's get real. Both cars are likely to be reliable. Enter the Dodge Demon. I'm sorry, but even if it's not a road car like a ZL1, god help you if you try to pull on one. And those who think we won't be seeing 9's are just acting silly. Hellcats see 10.85's all the time. There's so much more tech than the armchair racers here understand.

And don't discount marketing. Artful and creative marketing is part of what makes cars into legends. ZL1 doesn't exactly roll off the tongue and make people excited. 1Le sounds like a special shoe size. Spare me the legacy nonsense. I drive a CHARGER. Lots of legacy right there. Add "Hellcat" and everyone's excited. Add "Demon" and you get more excitement.

Looking forward to my ZL1, but I do love my Hellcat!


R.

[ninetres]

Originally Posted by TheShooter

Interesting, if odd statements...

I own a 2016 Charger Hellcat and a ZL1 is planned for the summer. I've driven two and it took some effort to make a decision as to how I wanted the car.

I have not decided if I will keep the Hellcat, but at the moment I'd like to.

Let's get the nonsense out of the way. The Hellcat is well build and insanely reliable for a car pushing well over 700 HP. BOTH ZL1's I drove have had issues, though minor. Typically, we have fanboys here ready to bash Ford and Dodge and that's a shame.

My friends Challenger has done 10.9 with nothing but DR's and he's not very experienced. I've done low 11's on street tires. These are big room comfortable cruisers with a ton of power and are just loads of fun, even on famous twisty runs like Angeles Crest. Everyone loves the Hellcat.

The ZL1 is amazing. It's going to beat a Hellcat off the line 10 out of 10 times because it's got the right tires and it handles beautifully. It's a fully rounded sports car and the Hellcat is not. But I'm sorry to say that out on a open road the Hellcat feels better in a certain way. It feels faster and unrestrained. It's a monster with a LOT more attitude than the ZL1.

So let's get real. Both cars are likely to be reliable. Enter the Dodge Demon. I'm sorry, but even if it's not a road car like a ZL1, god help you if you try to pull on one. And those who think we won't be seeing 9's are just acting silly. Hellcats see 10.85's all the time. There's so much more tech than the armchair racers here understand.

And don't discount marketing. Artful and creative marketing is part of what makes cars into legends. ZL1 doesn't exactly roll off the tongue and make people excited. 1Le sounds like a special shoe size. Spare me the legacy nonsense. I drive a CHARGER. Lots of legacy right there. Add "Hellcat" and everyone's excited. Add "Demon" and you get more excitement.

Looking forward to my ZL1, but I do love my Hellcat!


R.

When is your ZL1 slated to arrive?