[Mr. Meh]

Originally Posted by SS 1LE

Funny thing other sites like Motor Authority says the A10 in the GT is annoying, shifting too much, and not being able to stick with a proper gear...

But the transmission falls to pieces when faced with more power. My first outing in the 2018 Mustang was behind the wheel of a GT with the 10-speed automatic and aside from a pre-dawn sprint to Point Dume Beach on day two of the program, I never touched it again. The 10-speed auto is recalcitrant in the V-8-powered Mustang GT, constantly unsure of which gear is right for the occasion. With 10 to choose from, at one point I saw the gear indicator go from seven to five to three after going from steady-state cruising to half throttle—what followed was an unnecessary and annoying surge from under the hood as the transmission suddenly called most of the Mustang's 460 hp to action. Manual mode didn't solve the problem, either. Unless I was caning the 5.0-liter V-8, the 10-speed just wasn’t willing to cooperate.

That's going to be interesting to see since programming is one of the things GM/Ford diverged on.

I've not noticed any sort of hunting in my ZL1 A10.. It just picks a gear and stays in it, even around town driving like a granny. That was a fear for the ZL1 A10s was too many choices and it would always be up/down, but thankfully, GM seems to have been on point with their programming in that regard.

[Chadicus]

Originally Posted by SS 1LE

Funny thing other sites like Motor Authority says the A10 in the GT is annoying, shifting too much, and not being able to stick with a proper gear...

But the transmission falls to pieces when faced with more power. My first outing in the 2018 Mustang was behind the wheel of a GT with the 10-speed automatic and aside from a pre-dawn sprint to Point Dume Beach on day two of the program, I never touched it again. The 10-speed auto is recalcitrant in the V-8-powered Mustang GT, constantly unsure of which gear is right for the occasion. With 10 to choose from, at one point I saw the gear indicator go from seven to five to three after going from steady-state cruising to half throttle—what followed was an unnecessary and annoying surge from under the hood as the transmission suddenly called most of the Mustang's 460 hp to action. Manual mode didn't solve the problem, either. Unless I was caning the 5.0-liter V-8, the 10-speed just wasn’t willing to cooperate.

Yikes... seems as though the problems plaguing the S550 platform continue to get worse. The first two MT-82s I had were pretty bad. If even the auto Mustang fans are hailing as the cars messiah is performing badly than this refresh is likely a bust. Honestly not at all surprised.

[Mr. Meh]

Originally Posted by Chadicus

Yikes... seems as though the problems plaguing the S550 platform continue to get worse. The first two MT-82s I had were pretty bad. If even the auto Mustang fans are hailing as the cars messiah is performing badly than this refresh is likely a bust. Honestly not at all surprised.

It's probably just programming and that, at least, is fixable with a flash from the dealer.. Which, hopefully, is all it is and it isn't something mechanical on how they went after the co-op part.

So, here's hoping their software people can fix it if it's really an issue.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by Obsol3te

To beat the z28. And it did

Originally Posted by SS 1LE

The discontinued, previous generation one...good job lol. Not to mention, they didn't even accomplish that "goal" on many tracks FYI.

Took the words right out of my mouth. Plus they didn't even test the two cars until December of 2015 and it was a 16 GT350R. For 2015 there were only like 135 GT350s produced and none of them were Rs. So they were literally fighting backwards seeing as how the 16 Camaros were already out and they're trying to take on the previous Gen Z28 which isn't even a valid comparison since even the 16 SS was damn near matching the 15 Z28. I don't know what Ford was thinking but they really shit the bed.

[Chadicus]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Took the words right out of my mouth. Plus they didn't even test the two cars until December of 2015 and it was a 16 GT350R. For 2015 there were only like 135 GT350s produced and none of them were Rs. So they were literally fighting backwards seeing as how the 16 Camaros were already out and they're trying to take on the previous Gen Z28 which isn't even a valid comparison since even the 16 SS was damn near matching the 15 Z28. I don't know what Ford was thinking but they really shit the bed.

Ford was thinking that a cheaper car with a large aftermarket would be good enough. Problem is they cut a lot of corners.

[ST1LE]

Originally Posted by Chadicus

Ford was thinking that a cheaper car with a large aftermarket would be good enough. Problem is they cut a lot of corners.

Well, if the goal was to sell cars then they nailed it!

Question is, and I think this was mentioned. If selling cars is all that mattered, then why all the fuss about the new PP1 and the PP2?

IF selling cars was all that mattered, they would have done a refresh and called it a day.

I think they just severely underestimated the Camaro and the Alpha, and realized..."Hey we lost this one, lets try our best to at least sell as much as we can."

[FastCarFanBoy]

you'd think that If the ZL1 was such a better car in every way than the GT350 , the magazines reviewers that everyone seems to put so much stock in would stop picking the 350 as the car they'd rather drive.

be interesting if Ford gets around to dropping a GT500 that outperforms the ZL1. What will be the talk around here if both the Supercharged Camaro and the n/a version get outperformed by a lowly S550?

[Chadicus]

Originally Posted by FastCarFanBoy

you'd think that If the ZL1 was such a better car in every way than the GT350 , the magazines reviewers that everyone seems to put so much stock in would stop picking the 350 as the car they'd rather drive.

be interesting if Ford gets around to dropping a GT500 that outperforms the ZL1. What will be the talk around here if both the Supercharged Camaro and the n/a version get outperformed by a lowly S550?

The talk will be about how it's 4 years too late and with the ADM the GT 500 costs the same as a ZR1. And if it has a FI Voodoo there will be talk of oil consumption and vibration issues.

I like the S550 body style a lot. I like the Coyote engine too. I hope they do drop a GT 500 and I hope it is a great car. But one thing for certain right now is that the best chassis engineers work at GM not Ford. That will be something for Ford to focus on for the S650.

[Zodiac]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

And what you said is exactly why this is soo hilarious. The GT350R is "not a drag car, the gearing is not meant for that. Between the nature of the FPC and the gearing it's expected not to run Camaro supercar times"...yet it costs more and offers less. So the ZL1 is not made for the quarter mile either. Yet it beats the Shelby in the quarter, it beats the Shelby around the track, it has way more options, and it does and has all of that while costing less. So again, WTF is the purpose of the Shelby if it can't beat the cheaper ZL1 at anything and when the SS1LE can beat the non-R Shelby while keeping up with the GT350R at almost half the price? So at Ford's best they built a strictly track car and then Chevy built an even better track car that can also quarter mile the hell out of the Shelby and is fully optioned out for less. SMH. That is some hilarious shit.



I don't even think those will be much to worry about. I doubt Ford can put together a GT500 that will compete with the ZL1 while staying in the same price range. And that is if they even bring one out which I doubt.



The ignorance of your comment is that the person you're agreeing with called the ZL1 a "supercar"...and what exactly are you mocking me about? Oh right, that the Camaro "was made to compete against Ferraris and other SUPERCARS", lol!! In fact, most of your fellow Mustang nut-humpers are saying it's unfair to compare the ZL1 to the Shelby because the ZL1 is a supercar, lol!! Looks like all that competing with the best paid off for Chevy when the best that Ford has to offer is nothing in comparison. Chevy built a "supercar" that blows the Shelby away at everything including what the Shelby itself was built to do well.

Just an FYI no I didn't call the ZL1 a supercar. I called the SS a supercar. We all know it's a supercar/hypercar/world beater. There is nothing that could touch it in the automotive world today.

I'm just saddened that the little brother Corvette keeps getting held back by the Camaro greatness. It's a shame.

[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by Chadicus

Yikes... seems as though the problems plaguing the S550 platform continue to get worse. The first two MT-82s I had were pretty bad. If even the auto Mustang fans are hailing as the cars messiah is performing badly than this refresh is likely a bust. Honestly not at all surprised.

I wouldn't put too much stock into their comments yet on the A10 "hunting gears". I've heard this mentioned about almost every 8 speed too during test drives. I'd bet there are issues with the adaptive learning on these "loaned review" cars. I drove a Charger with similar issues but I know for a fact if you get one reset, it doesn't have the issue anymore.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by FastCarFanBoy

you'd think that If the ZL1 was such a better car in every way than the GT350 , the magazines reviewers that everyone seems to put so much stock in would stop picking the 350 as the car they'd rather drive.

be interesting if Ford gets around to dropping a GT500 that outperforms the ZL1. What will be the talk around here if both the Supercharged Camaro and the n/a version get outperformed by a lowly S550?

See that is the difference between me and you. I can easily admit if Ford makes a better car. You and your ilk sit here trying to disagree with everyone. I have many times said that the 11-14 GTs were faster which is true. You refuse to admit that the Shelby was outclassed this time around when it is obvious.

Here's the thing, if the GT500 comes out and beats the ZL1, then fine. I for one am a fan of the GT500. Most of us here have respect for the GT500. It certainly is a worthy opponent and is a beast no matter how you slice it. But the thing is that unless the GT500 completely destroys it, offers similar options, and does it at a much lower price with no markups, then a loss won't take anything away from the ZL1. It'll still be an awesome car that loss to another awesome car. And at worst they'll still be on the same level. It'll no doubt be a driver's race. Shit I'll take a loss to a GT500. That's like losing to a Hellcat or Demon in a quarter mile. Nothing to be ashamed of. And that is the problem with the 15-17 GT which you just refuse to understand. The GT offered much less, the price was not much lower, and yet the SS destroyed the GT in every category.

Originally Posted by Zodiac

I'm just saddened that the little brother Corvette keeps getting held back by the Camaro greatness. It's a shame.

I'm a little confused. Are you saying the SS is held back by the ZL1 or the Camaro is held back by the Vette?

[Bhobbs]

Originally Posted by ST1LE

Well, if the goal was to sell cars then they nailed it!

Question is, and I think this was mentioned. If selling cars is all that mattered, then why all the fuss about the new PP1 and the PP2?

IF selling cars was all that mattered, they would have done a refresh and called it a day.

I think they just severely underestimated the Camaro and the Alpha, and realized..."Hey we lost this one, lets try our best to at least sell as much as we can."

In my opinion, Ford's goal is to build cars that perform decently but are still livable for the average person on the street. They obviously found a market, because sales have been pretty good for a long time.

[Bhobbs]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

I'm a little confused. Are you saying the SS is held back by the ZL1 or the Camaro is held back by the Vette?

The Camaro is clearly held back by the Vette. Sure, the base engines are generally more than good enough but the performance versions lack the autonomy needed for the Camaro's competition.

[crysalis_01]

Ford also needs to stop building cars that dealers are willing to charge and idiots are willing to pay ADM's/AMV's on. The more these are paid, the more dealers will continue to tack them on.