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Old 11-13-2017, 10:31 AM   #43
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I bet the LT5 will make it into the 7th Gen Camaro. Its kind of the trickle down effect. Although last Gen ZR1 engine never made it into anything else if I recall correctly. OR they might just use a N/A LT1 and instead of boost put an electric assist in it, This will add just as much power as a blower, and beat emissions soundly, hate to say it, but its all headed that way. Soon you will have to buy a permit to drive your classic (60-70's) car in a parade, the only place they will be allowed to be driven.
I doubt we see a Z28 for 6th Gen Camaro, I don't think the tech is quite there for a N/A engine (or electric assist) to make the power to warrant it. suppose they could strip out a SS 1LE and add ceramic brakes, DSSV's and other stuff, slap a Z/28 badge on it just to keep the name alive.
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Old 11-13-2017, 11:10 AM   #44
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I highly doubt that GM will put the LT5 into any version of the Camaro. I think that they may let Caddy take a swing with it in the next CTS V though. I think there is a desire for ridiculous (and amazing) HP luxury sedans.

Regarding the millennial comments; as a 30 year old who owns a home and a ZL1, I disagree that our age group doesn't like or want to afford fast cars. I have several friends who enjoy racing and cars. But, I also appreciate Uber when I don't want to park my car at the airport or downtown. Sometimes a $5 ride in someone else's car is cheaper than parking in a garage when I am going to dinner. Hell, maybe one day i'll get driven to dinner in a CTSV with an LT5.
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Old 11-13-2017, 11:37 AM   #45
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I bet the LT5 will make it into the 7th Gen Camaro. Its kind of the trickle down effect. Although last Gen ZR1 engine never made it into anything else if I recall correctly. OR they might just use a N/A LT1 and instead of boost put an electric assist in it, This will add just as much power as a blower, and beat emissions soundly, hate to say it, but its all headed that way. Soon you will have to buy a permit to drive your classic (60-70's) car in a parade, the only place they will be allowed to be driven.
I doubt we see a Z28 for 6th Gen Camaro, I don't think the tech is quite there for a N/A engine (or electric assist) to make the power to warrant it. suppose they could strip out a SS 1LE and add ceramic brakes, DSSV's and other stuff, slap a Z/28 badge on it just to keep the name alive.
They won't put it in the 7th either because they'd be using a LAST GEN engine...Just like the LS9 didn't go into the 6th gen Camaro, and rightfully so. (Even though the LS9 is superior to the LT4, and the LT5 will probably be superior to the XXX they drop into the 7th gen ZL1).

As far as an LT5 CTS-V goes, I'm pretty sure that's also not happening as the CTS-V isn't getting a new version until 2020 at least, and when it does, the LT5 will be last gen and wouldn't match with a CTS-V4 (See further in my post for more).

And to respond to a comment on the previous page, the CTS-V never got the ZR1 engine (LS9), it got a smaller blower, detuned version, dubbed the LSA, that went into the ZL1 when it came out. It is pretty similar this generation. The ZL1 and CTS-V3 gets a smaller blower, mildly detuned engine of the ZR1's LT5, and it's the LT4. The CTS-V/ZL1 also never got as strong of drive train components as the ZR1, though the Gen5 ZL1 was stout, the C6 ZR1 was stouter, and made a helluva lot more power on blower.

The way I see it:
The ZR1 will be discontinued in 2020
The LT4 ZL1 will be discontinued when the 6th Gens stop being made
The LT4 CTS-V will be discontinued when the V3s stop being made

202x and on:
The C8 Vettes will get brand new, non LT related engines
The 7th gen Camaros will be getting detuned versions of the highest Vette engines and the same low end Vette engines (Just like always)
The CTS-V4s will get the same engine as the top Camaro.

= The LT5 will go into nothing other than the ZR1, ever. GM doesn't swap engines mid way through a run, and they definitely won't put it back into a newer generation (AKA putting the LT5 into a Gen7 Camaro.)
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Old 11-13-2017, 12:43 PM   #46
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You should expand your social circle. There are plenty of 20 and 30 something’s with V8 camaros. And with V8s in general.
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Old 11-13-2017, 01:42 PM   #47
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Don't hold your breath for an engine swap....

Seems like this might be Front-Engined Corvette's swan song.
Couldn't agree more. The ZR1 page on the Chevy web site advertises the LT5 as "hand-assembled". If I'm not mistaken, the LS9 in the C6 ZR1 was also hand-assembled and it never made it into anything other than the Corvette. I'm betting the farm the LT5 will be Corvette ZR1 only. Best one can hope for is it eventually becomes available as a crate engine. But I wouldn't hold my breath on that happening either.
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Old 11-13-2017, 02:52 PM   #48
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...any reason the LT5 couldn't move to a modern production line similar to the LT4 after some time?? Seems like it would be a logical progression as the vette / Camaro continues to develop??

I'm new to this game, but can only assume the same Camaro / LT4 conversation likely took place years ago & here we are.
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Old 11-13-2017, 03:03 PM   #49
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Couldn't agree more. The ZR1 page on the Chevy web site advertises the LT5 as "hand-assembled". If I'm not mistaken, the LS9 in the C6 ZR1 was also hand-assembled and it never made it into anything other than the Corvette. I'm betting the farm the LT5 will be Corvette ZR1 only. Best one can hope for is it eventually becomes available as a crate engine. But I wouldn't hold my breath on that happening either.
The 427 in the Z/28 was hand assembled.
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Old 11-13-2017, 03:58 PM   #50
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The 427 in the Z/28 was hand assembled.
As a crate engine, the LS7 cost $14k, or something like that...the LS9 was in the low 20s...Lord knows what this one is going to be...25-30k? Out of the range of Camaro, I think...And the LS7 was naturally aspirated. It's been established, that for better or worse; a naturally-aspirated engine seems to be the core feature identifying feature of a Z/28. So if anyone is even entertaining the idea of this engine in a Z/28; don't...it ain't happening!

Besides that - Corvette, no matter how we slice it, needs to have something unique about that you can't get anywhere else in the product lineup. ZR1 & LT5 is it.

For the record...I'd LIKE to see an LT5 in a drag-monster Camaro or something similar...
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Old 11-13-2017, 04:13 PM   #51
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As a crate engine, the LS7 cost $14k, or something like that...the LS9 was in the low 20s...Lord knows what this one is going to be...25-30k? Out of the range of Camaro, I think...And the LS7 was naturally aspirated. It's been established, that for better or worse; a naturally-aspirated engine seems to be the core feature identifying feature of a Z/28. So if anyone is even entertaining the idea of this engine in a Z/28; don't...it ain't happening!

Besides that - Corvette, no matter how we slice it, needs to have something unique about that you can't get anywhere else in the product lineup. ZR1 & LT5 is it.

For the record...I'd LIKE to see an LT5 in a drag-monster Camaro or something similar...
That's how I see it, a COPO with a VIN. Not a Z/28. We still don't know what the ZL1 without any kind of spoiler/wing was.
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Old 11-13-2017, 04:15 PM   #52
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Couldn't agree more. The ZR1 page on the Chevy web site advertises the LT5 as "hand-assembled". If I'm not mistaken, the LS9 in the C6 ZR1 was also hand-assembled and it never made it into anything other than the Corvette. I'm betting the farm the LT5 will be Corvette ZR1 only. Best one can hope for is it eventually becomes available as a crate engine. But I wouldn't hold my breath on that happening either.
Makes sense that the LT5 would be hand-assembled in Bowling Green. All the LT4's for the Z06's are hand-assembled in the engine shop. I think this started in 2017, but prior to then, only the Z07's received the hand-assembled engines and the Z06's received the engines from the Tonawanda, NY plant.

I doubt the LT5 will be seen in a ZL1, unless someone has the coin to make the swap.
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Old 11-13-2017, 06:54 PM   #53
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The 427 in the Z/28 was hand assembled.
So was the LS3 for the Grand Sport.
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Old 11-13-2017, 07:22 PM   #54
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For the 6th Gen Z28 it would be nostalgic if they went with a track version of the new 302 Gen V Small Block engine that was just announced for the COPO. But would anyone in the general public really want to buy that?
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Old 11-13-2017, 10:35 PM   #55
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...any reason the LT5 couldn't move to a modern production line similar to the LT4 after some time?? Seems like it would be a logical progression as the vette / Camaro continues to develop??

I'm new to this game, but can only assume the same Camaro / LT4 conversation likely took place years ago & here we are.
Other than the GM execs saying no, there is absolutely no reason they couldn't do it. I don't remember there ever being a ZR1 engine shared with another car in the past, but those past engines were really special at the time. There was the 1990 DOHC 32 Valve engine when everything else GM had out was their usual pushrod setup. The LS9 which had forged titanium connecting rods and pretty sure the first titanium intake valves and sodium filled exhaust valves. From the sound of it, this LT5 isn't that much different from the LT4. It has a new crank and a larger supercharger with port fuel injection added.
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Old 11-13-2017, 11:07 PM   #56
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Other than the GM execs saying no, there is absolutely no reason they couldn't do it. I don't remember there ever being a ZR1 engine shared with another car in the past, but those past engines were really special at the time. There was the 1990 DOHC 32 Valve engine when everything else GM had out was their usual pushrod setup. The LS9 which had forged titanium connecting rods and pretty sure the first titanium intake valves and sodium filled exhaust valves. From the sound of it, this LT5 isn't that much different from the LT4. It has a new crank and a larger supercharger with port fuel injection added.
Exactly. GM is producing money making big sellers now not niche vehicles.
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