[Blackdevil77]

Originally Posted by Can'tHave2MuchHP

A Procharged setup or similar Centrifugal blower can and will get you 700-750 RWHP without opening up the engine if you use Meth or E85, which shouldn't be a big deal to somebody who wants that kind of power. A fuel system upgrade may be necessary but again not that big of a deal. It's true we don't get anywhere near Hellcat engines with boost only, but our gain is once we get past stock-ish/boost only builds and move into bigger builds, that the LS and now LT really shows off.

You think the upcoming 2650 will make those numbers possible without opening up the engine? I'm not anti-procharger, I just like the low end grunt. That and I know somebody that put a procharger on their 5th gen ZL1 and while it makes great power, it makes a whole lot of interesting noises like whistling and sometimes it sounds like a vacuum cleaner. Maybe something is wrong with his, I don't know.

E85 is great as long as there's a good fuel system upgrade that can make it all work.

With the introduction of the ZR1 coming up any day now with the 750 horsepower LT5, maybe some of the go fast parts will be interchangeable on the 2 engines. I wonder how much they changed from the LT4 to make the LT5.

[EDFHOBBIES]

Originally Posted by Can'tHave2MuchHP

A Procharged setup or similar Centrifugal blower can and will get you 700-750 RWHP without opening up the engine if you use Meth or E85, which shouldn't be a big deal to somebody who wants that kind of power. A fuel system upgrade may be necessary but again not that big of a deal. It's true we don't get anywhere near Hellcat engines with boost only, but our gain is once we get past stock-ish/boost only builds and move into bigger builds, that the LS and now LT really shows off.



I've seen this idea from you a few times now...There's PLENTY left in the fuel system. Fuel system doesn't STOP power from happening UNLESS you're actually running OUT OF FUEL. And these tests are NOT anywhere near that. The LT4 Fuel System can do 650-680 RHWP on 93 with no assistance from Meth/E85 or a Cam's fuel lobe.

Again, fuel systems don't stop power from happening unless you're actually running out of fuel, as in injectors/fuel pump and lines are maxed, and the dyno graph will flatline and suspended use will result in good-bye engine.

The Whipple, when bolted on to a stock engine, is no where near 125 RWHP gain. Redline did just show they got 98 RWHP with 2 lbs more than the stock 1.7L blower, with the 2.9L Whipple. But you can bet that is with tuning and not with any shitty "Canned" tune that will be designed to be safe and universal...I'd expect half that gain with a canned tune.

The whole zl1 6 gen community maxes out at about 610 to 620 on 93 becasue the heat generated from turning this baby blower faster.. yes you can add meth to get more.. it's not really out of fuel its the added timing from high iats.. I use the word out of fuel becasue u add a bandaide of meth to be able to run 93 to the hp you suggest. METH AS COOLING AID

The zl1 on e85 require 30% more fuel that being said it knocks you down to about 610 to 620 on e85 because the fuel system can't keep up with demand. Yes you can add meth to another bandaide. . I saw friends car where his meth solenoid stuck open and it was from one of the best tuners in the country. So go play w your meth.. METH as a extra Fuel

plain and simple fact..you have few choices thay are risky if you don't want to do a camshaft..

1. MTI out of houston.. lift pump and lash cap on high pressure pump

2. Meth

3. C16

4. Lingenfelter drilled out lt4 injectors and high pressure pump about 5k adds about 30% more fuel than stock add a cam to this setup and they claim 1000 hp vs about 800 something on stock zl1 parts

The only way to get 680 rwhp is swapping blowers to the whipple or the 2650 that coming unless you want to do the above fuel mods.

I believe the manufacturer claims.. hell eforce made there claims on a can tune.

FYI the whipple doesn't come with a Can tune on this setup

I finally figured where you getting your 750 number that's flywheel hp from the exorcist... it supports a procharger it only make 661 and I highly doubt that number since all of his stuff never makes what it claims

Why would whipple and weapon X both claim 125 with just swapping blowers and a good tune? That would be adding a nail to there own coffin!

[Can'tHave2MuchHP]

Originally Posted by EDFHOBBIES

The whole zl1 6 gen community maxes out at about 610 to 620 on 93 becasue the heat generated from turning this baby blower faster.. yes you can add meth to get more.. it's not really out of fuel it the added timing from high iats.. I use the word out of fuel becasue u add a bandaide of meth to be able to run 93 to the hp you suggest.

The zl1 on e85 require 30% more fuel that being said it knocks you down to about 610 to 620 on e85 because the fuel system can't keep up with demand. Yes you can add meth to another bandaide. . I saw friends car where his meth solenoid stuck open and it was from one of the best tuners in the country. So go play w your meth..

plain and simple fact..you have few choices thay are risky if you don't want to do a camshaft..

1. MTI out of houston.. lift pump and lash cap on high pressure pump

2. Meth

3. C16

4. Lingenfelter drilled out lt4 injectors and high pressure pump about 5k

The only way to get 680 rwhp is swapping blowers to the whipple or the 2650 that coming unless you want to do the above fuel mods.

I believe the manufacturer claims.. hell eforce made there claims on a can tune.

FYI the whipple doesn't come with a Can tune on this setup

I finally figured where you getting your 750 number that's flywheel hp from the exorcist... it supports a procharger it only make 661 and I highly doubt that number since all of his stuff never makes what it claims

I'm sorry but there's so much bullshit in this post not only am I not going to respond but I think I'm going to have to clean my screen. I've gone through this with you in other threads before. And others have too.

I, and MANY others that could and already HAVE, could buy a 6th ZL1 and make 650+ RWHP on the stock blower on 93 no meth no E85 with ease, stock blower, not even touching the fuel system. Take your false info elsewhere. Hell, Victoryred1le I think it was just made 650+ RWHP with an 18%, intake, headers and tune on 93. What land of genius do you think you come from?

And some other things (I guess I'm replying now)

Meth is NOT a band aid! It's a real thing that is extremely useful for big power cars.
Canned tunes suck in general, they're designed to be safe so that nobody blows up their car.
Claims by manufacturers are usually BS and nobody cares.
Many many shops have made 700-800 RWHP with a ProCharger on a stock LT4. Not crank. Not 650 wheel. 700-800 RWHP with a F or maybe even a D level ProCharger, stock engine, fuel system or meth being the only other part.

I mean, while I'm at it...I think part of your problem is, judging off of your written English, maybe you also don't read too well and don't understand proven information in your face. Go look at RPM, Vengeance, AMP, and more shop's YouTube channels. That'll prove some of my points alone. This clearly is a "Hobby" for you, leave the information and spreading of such to the guys this isn't a hobby to.

-Out

[EDFHOBBIES]

You need some preperation H for your lips cause your talking out of your azz.

Show me all the 17/18 zl1s that dyno 650 at wheels with no meth, no cam, no head work.. just headers, cai, and pulleys..

Your say 700 rwhp to 750 on procharger w no fuel mods then say they do need fuel mods.. No need to open the motor u idiot the cam drives the fuel pump.. how can u change the cam without opening the motor learn about the LT cars dumb azz

[Can'tHave2MuchHP]

Originally Posted by EDFHOBBIES

You need some preperation H for your lips cause your talking out of your azz.

Show me all the 17/18 zl1s that dyno 650 at wheels with no meth, no cam, no head work.. just headers, cai, and pulleys..

Your say 700 rwhp to 750 on procharger w fuel mods then say they do not need to open the motor u idiot the cam drives the fuel pump.. how can u change the cam without opening the motor learn about the LT cars dumb azz

You must not remember the last thread we had it out and I posted at least 5+ videos of LT4s making 650+ RWHP with just as described.

And I know how the fuel system in LT cars works.

I'm not going to jack this thread further. Take it to the PMs if you want.

[Blackdevil77]

Originally Posted by EDFHOBBIES

You need some preperation H for your lips cause your talking out of your azz.

Show me all the 17/18 zl1s that dyno 650 at wheels with no meth, no cam, no head work.. just headers, cai, and pulleys..

Here's one

http://www.camaro6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=510519

Here's another



Here's one that's a bit shy of 650 but close

http://www.camaro6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=510914

This one is close as well on 93

http://www.camaro6.com/forums/showth...highlight=mods

Seems 650 is at the high end but doable for FBO on 93.

[rtm_tinman]

I read all the posts and have some info that may help. I've tried to keep track of everything on how the car acts now with the new whipple, here is a little from me:

1. Redline? I'm confused... my Whipple kit came with a 3.5" pulley. If I'm correct the 2.9 for the trucks come with a 4". This is before you order smaller pulleys. Oh it is a 1.7 not a 1.9.

2. My car is really more powerful than with the stock 1.7 eaton and stock manifolds. easy 150 HP at the wheels. Saturday I will have the number to prove it.

3. My eaton was producing 9.5 PSI of boost on my gauge and now with the mods I'm pushing 7.5 PSI with tons more power. Still the proof will be on Saturday on the dyno.

4. When you look at the stock exhaust manifolds the exit opening is small, like around 2.5 ish. The 2" kooks headers have a 3"exhaust exit.

I really don't want to get into a pissing contest with anyone! I'm just sharing my build. I'm enjoying the excitement of how it works and what the outcome will be. Yes I thought of heads and cam, etc.... but I wanted to keep it drivable and still have fun at the track. It's fast, I can tell you at 60MPH you roll on the throttle in 2nd gear and the tires lite up smoking like you are doing a line lock burnout. Very impressive!!!

Here is a little music for your ears:

https://www.facebook.com/Dedrickauto...3901114241593/

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[EDFHOBBIES]

Sorry the shops I use do back to back runs not 1 cooled off glory run nice try.. so ya your right start the car have the fans setup make a quick run you got me.. your right.. ok guys they can do 650 plus. I was wrong..

[TheElementalCashew]

Originally Posted by Blackdevil77

Here's one

http://www.camaro6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=510519

Here's another



Here's one that's a bit shy of 650 but close

http://www.camaro6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=510914

This one is close as well on 93

http://www.camaro6.com/forums/showth...highlight=mods

Seems 650 is at the high end but doable for FBO on 93.

That last one is mine. I'd have probably hit 650 on 93 without cats on a cooler day.

[Infern0]

Cashbred hit well over 650 without cam, meth, or fuel system upgrades.

http://www.camaro6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=503823

Also a great discussion within on this very topic.

[EDFHOBBIES]

Those are good examples yes 650 possible on cold car w cool temPS on a dynojet.. but real world I would go with car up to temp on driveline or mustang dyno.. the numbers wold be 610 to 620.. houston has one of the biggest car scenes sea level humidity warm weather.. that's the number people post here.

[Redline Motorsports]

wow you guys are really getting into it! LOL! Lot's of good points on both sides.

[7WSM]

Originally Posted by EDFHOBBIES

Those are good examples yes 650 possible on cold car w cool temPS on a dynojet.. but real world I would go with car up to temp on driveline or mustang dyno.. the numbers wold be 610 to 620.. houston has one of the biggest car scenes sea level humidity warm weather.. that's the number people post here.

How are you going to discredit one dyno that doesn't meet your narrative but say x dyno is more valid since it goes inline with more of your thinking.

[Can'tHave2MuchHP]

Originally Posted by 7WSM

How are you going to discredit one dyno that doesn't meet your narrative but say x dyno is more valid since it goes inline with more of your thinking.

He was backed against a wall, losing the argument and started grasping at straws. The reality is, EVERY shop dynos a cold car in as good of air as they can. Nobody drives it to get lunch, comes back to the shops, straps it on the dyno and then pulls when the car is hot. And every shop posts as good of numbers as they can. It's total BS that he's trying to argue backwards to keep his 610-620 number alive.

Originally Posted by Lt1z350

I found a few articles in the past one z06 went to a edelbrock setup on the same 9 ish psi stock tune it lost power. They had to pulley it way up into the efficient area of the blower just to gain around 30 hp. Very disappointing for money spent. Just was reading on the v3 pages how they had to crank the whipple to 14 I believe to start seeing good gains. Think ended up around 95whp gain with headers and some other mods before called it quits due to cam and fueling. Don’t remember who was doing Work and tune. Seen articles on the jokers ported stock blower setup making the same gains as the whipple at lower boost around 35 hp or so. Seems like a lot to spend to pick up 100 whp if not going internal on engine with a cam and heads setup. Personally a head flowing 360cfm shouldn’t need work but think since off they do it anyway as have to pull the engine and heads to do a cam swap. Guessing that whipple is 6k or about and if not going to push 800-1000 hp that’s a lot of cash for 100whp. This drag pack holds true and makes a claimed 720 hp runs 10.0@137 put a 100 shot on top of that and well into the 9s at over 140 the nitrous cools the change big time we used 30 shots on grand nationals and saw 75whp on that small jet. Ways to go fast cheap on this setup IF drag racing / street racing 800-900 whp on a bolt on car when spoke to Chris at rpm in North Carolina.
Now with zr1 info seeing they use that 2650 and it has both direct port and port injection for fuel system give it a little time and we have a lot more options. I don’t give a crap what my car dynos I want mine to run 9s 145-155 mph in quarter and be able to still play with it on a road course and not be so nasty you can’t drive it. Where the nitrous option is good for straight line racing and beating my buddies with twin turbo 5.0s. Lol I still think more is to be found in the tune as many are still guessing and don’t even understand how to add fuel using the soi settings. I did it on my 450whp 2.0t ats and never used meth to bandaid my shitty fuel system in fact I had to pull fuel when used it as went rich as I just wanted the cooling and that turd could trap 120 mph in quarter mile with an over sized turbo. Anyway keep it civil guys we are all here to learn from what others do. I’ll try to find those two articles and post. Keep the hate for the fords and dodges lol.

Couple of things...

I don't see a 9 second car being friendly on a road course without using 1/2 throttle the whole time.

720 crank HP isn't going to run 10.0 at 137 consistently and for everyone. Much like shops give cold temp, STD dyno numbers, manufacturers will give as good of passes as they can. Expect more in the 10.3 range unless the drive train tuning they did is absolutely a miracle for drag racing. Even ET calculators, which are usually already a "You wish" number (Usually .1-.2 seconds faster than you could achieve), calculates that 720 HP and 3950 pounds is a 10.27 @ 131. Now, I do believe they told us all of the mods they were doing, but sandbagged the power numbers. If we were to calculate in reverse, the calculator I use says you'd need 780 HP (This is all crank btw) to achieve a 10.0 @ 3950 pounds (Which is what I estimate after fluids + driver, could be more). I do think 780 crank HP is pushing it for the mods they listed, but we'll see.

I would stay away from nitrous all together but that's just me. I bet that adding a 100 shot would definitely get you 9s though if that's what you're after. You'll need 800+ RWHP or more to trap 150s though. (~650 RWHP from the Chevy Drag setup + ~150 RWHP from the 100 shot and you're close).