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Originally Posted by Chadicus

Ford should have anticipated the Alpha platform since the ATS was using it already. And the S550 was slower than the S197 anyway (straight line at least).

Now if we start to see these 12.0-12.3 quarter mile runs on the regular then congrats to Ford.

Modding is a controversial issue. Most people are probably intent on keeping their warranties so the fastest car when stock is the "best". But having to mod the S550 to keep pace with the Camaro isn't why I got rid of mine. I got rid of mine because in 3k miles I had: Hood shaking, drivetrain vibrations, clutch replaced under warranty, driveshaft replaced under warranty, A/C condenser replaced. A host of issues that made me drop the car.

Originally Posted by hotlap

Chevy entered the gen6 with a SS that was 0.6 seconds faster in the 1/4 and weighed 200 lbs less than the outgoing Zeta SS. You're ok that Ford's only aim was to not be slower than the S197?

The capabilities of the Alpha platform, LT1 and LT4 were known from Cadillac and Corvette. I don't know how they misjudged the performance angle so badly. Great rental car though.

The problem is that Ford got lazy, let the aftermarket do all the work for them, and actually forgot how to make the Mustang GT fast.

[ULTRAZLS1]

Originally Posted by Speedofsound

I never asked what it did. Weekend life bro. I'll take a 12.0 car with less than 400whp car all day vs a 440whp car, it only hurts more feelings.

You seemed pretty happy with the higher numbers before. Make up your mind lol

Good luck hurting feels with a 12.0 car btw

[FastCarFanBoy]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

And for starters I wasn't talking about the A10. I'm talking about the Mustang's lack of performance. The S550 got slower than the S197 and was barely beating even the 370Z Nismo if it even could beat the 370Z at all. There is no reason why in 2015 a V8 Muscle Car with RWD should have been as slow as a 13. So although I think a 12 flat is impressive, I also won't cheer Ford because they should have been doing this in 15 like everyone else.

And I am not complaining about modding cars thanks for exaggerating that. Modding cars is one thing. But when the GT was soo slow that the entire damn car had to be modded just to keep up with the competition, that says a lot about how pitiful it was from the factory. You can be mad but it is a fact that the GT was horrible in performance for the past 3 model years.

stop already with the 370z nonsense, that car was as far behind the Mustang as the Stang was behind the Camaro. the 2015 Camaro was just as slow as the Mustang so that statement makes little sense.

what do I have to be mad about exactly?

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Originally Posted by FastCarFanBoy

stop already with the 370z nonsense, that car was as far behind the Mustang as the Stang was behind the Camaro. the 2015 Camaro was just as slow as the Mustang so that statement makes little sense.

what do I have to be mad about exactly?

You're out of your mind. The 370Z was closer to the GT than the GT was to the SS. And some of the 350Zs were beating the GT in the early 2000s but couldn't touch the Z28. And even in 09 the 370Z was keeping up with the 3V GT if not beating it. Those are just plain facts. You don't have to like it but it's true. The SS and the GT were neck and neck when the Coyote hit the S197 GTs. Then the Mustang got the S550 treatment and became slower in 2015. The SS was still the same because it was still the 5th Gen. The SS then went to the 6th gen style and got almost an entire second faster than it was. It now has been 4 model years of the S550 and Ford finally just now decides to make it fast enough to keep up with the competition. So the thing you can't understand is that the Mustang should have been at least a mid 12 with the introduction of the S550 instead of a 12.9 at best. But it wasn't. It got left in the dust by the Camaro. I can't spell it out any better for you. If you're that limited that you can't understand then there's no wonder you're a Mustang fanboy.

[FastCarFanBoy]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

You're out of your mind. The 370Z was closer to the GT than the GT was to the SS. And some of the 350Zs were beating the GT in the early 2000s but couldn't touch the Z28. And even in 09 the 370Z was keeping up with the 3V GT if not beating it. Those are just plain facts. You don't have to like it but it's true. The SS and the GT were neck and neck when the Coyote hit the S197 GTs. Then the Mustang got the S550 treatment and became slower in 2015. The SS was still the same because it was still the 5th Gen. The SS then went to the 6th gen style and got almost an entire second faster than it was. It now has been 4 model years of the S550 and Ford finally just now decides to make it fast enough to keep up with the competition. So the thing you can't understand is that the Mustang should have been at least a mid 12 with the introduction of the S550 instead of a 12.9 at best. But it wasn't. It got left in the dust by the Camaro. I can't spell it out any better for you. If you're that limited that you can't understand then there's no wonder you're a Mustang fanboy.

you're bringing up the 2002 mustang in a thread about S550's and i'm out of my mind? the 370z Nismo is .6 and 5mph behind the S550.

have you been drinking tonight? I have never disputed the 6th gen Camaro was faster than the S550. I dont own an S550 nor do fly a Ford flag. I have owned several Mustangs because the car has appealed to me since I was a teen and was readily available when I started driving plus the aftermarket is 2nd to none, But I have owned a couple Chevy's , a Formula Firebird, Acura TL, 4runner, Nissan Murano, 2 Hyundais, rocked a Buick Park Ave also.

I've even gone so far as to say I would have bought a Camaro over the Mustang if I were buying in 15/16.

If that makes me a Mustang fanboy...

I think you just don't like being called out on your B.S. though

[Zeke.Malvo]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

So although I think a 12 flat is impressive, I also won't cheer Ford because they should have been doing this in 15 like everyone else.

In '15 like everyone else? Who exactly was running 12 flat in their 2015 cars?? How many other manufacturers belong to this "everyone else?"

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[ULTRAZLS1]

The 16 Camaro came out in nov of 15. A private owner ran 11.9 a month later in December.

Scat pack been doing it since 2014 with the 2015 model 392

So everyone else as far as the mustangs most direct competitors go.
He said since 2015 not 2015 model

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Originally Posted by FastCarFanBoy

you're bringing up the 2002 mustang in a thread about S550's and i'm out of my mind? the 370z Nismo is .6 and 5mph behind the S550.

have you been drinking tonight? I have never disputed the 6th gen Camaro was faster than the S550. I dont own an S550 nor do fly a Ford flag. I have owned several Mustangs because the car has appealed to me since I was a teen and was readily available when I started driving plus the aftermarket is 2nd to none, But I have owned a couple Chevy's , a Formula Firebird, Acura TL, 4runner, Nissan Murano, 2 Hyundais, rocked a Buick Park Ave also.

I've even gone so far as to say I would have bought a Camaro over the Mustang if I were buying in 15/16.

If that makes me a Mustang fanboy...

I think you just don't like being called out on your B.S. though

Geez you're slow. Yes I brought up the New Edge because it fit my point about how pathetic the GT has been. If you could follow a conversation like a normal intelligent Human then you would have seen that. And the 370Z was a low 13. The S550 GT was at best a 12.9 but some of them were low 13s as well. The 6th Gen SS was low 12s. So which is closer to which you genius? 370Zs were right neck and neck with GTs. And for someone who claims to not be flying a Ford flag you sure do spend a lot of time arguing with people on a Camaro forum defending the piss-poor Mustang. You're trying to throw smokescreens up and muddy up the conversation and it's a good try but it ain't working pal.

Originally Posted by Zeke.Malvo

In '15 like everyone else? Who exactly was running 12 flat in their 2015 cars?? How many other manufacturers belong to this "everyone else?"

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6th Gen Camaro SS was out in 2015 bro. Come on. Challengers and Chargers were htitting low 12s in the non-Hellcat versions. Lots of them were hitting high 11s on fast lists and thru vendors just like LMR. But since I don't count that I'll say they were all in the 12.2 range. Which is still a far distance from what the GT was doing. Where was the GT? Oh right, 12.9 at best. And to get into the low 12s they needed LTs, tune, cai, axles, DRs, and sometimes even an IM/TB upgrade. Just to keep up.

[Speedofsound]

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

You seemed pretty happy with the higher numbers before. Make up your mind lol

Good luck hurting feels with a 12.0 car btw

Happy? You interpret feelings thru the internet?

You've been to a track and you dont see a 12.0 stock car as respectable? There are people in this forum, mustang forums and dodge forums that cant go 12.0s in their modded cars. I've seen boosted cars here (zl1 and boosted SS) not go 11s, be it tire issues, driver issues or tuning issues. So yes, a guy rolls up next to you in a modded muscle car built in the last couple years that you just beat by a few tenths and you say you're stock when he asks what you have, he's gonna have hurt feelings.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

You seemed pretty happy with the higher numbers before. Make up your mind lol

Good luck hurting feels with a 12.0 car btw

BTW... Congratulations on your 10.85 bolt on.

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Originally Posted by Speedofsound

Happy? You interpret feelings thru the internet?

You've been to a track and you dont see a 12.0 stock car as respectable? There are people in this forum, mustang forums and dodge forums that cant go 12.0s in their modded cars. I've seen boosted cars (zl1 and boosted SS) not go 11s, be it tire issues, driver issues or tuning issues. So yes, a guy rolls up next to you in a modded muscle car built in the last couple years that you just beat by a few tenths and you say you're stock when he asks what you have, he's gonna have hurt feelings.

I don't think you know what you're talking about kid.

A Mustang doing low 12s is not respectable when it is the last Muscle Car to finally get that fast. The SS has been doing it for 3 model years now. The CHallys have been doing it for quite some time. And now finally the GT gets there and we're supposed to be impressed? They're years late to the party bro. They spent the last few years just barely beating Evos, WRXs, and 5.7 Hemi Chally/Chargers and getting their asses kicked by everything else. And even still this testing has nothing to compare it to. I wouldn't be surprised if nobody else can duplicate this run by LMR. And what, you want us to respect the Mustang dude? You're on the wrong forum pal. Why do you Mustang nuthumpers keep coming over here expecting us to have respect or to cheer for your crappy car? LOL!! You literally have tons of Mustang forums yet you come here of all places and get pissy when we tell you we don't respect the GT? I swear you guys have brain damage or something.

[Speedofsound]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

I don't think you know what you're talking about kid.

Probably right, thanks ol' man.

[FastCarFanBoy]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Geez you're slow. Yes I brought up the New Edge because it fit my point about how pathetic the GT has been. If you could follow a conversation like a normal intelligent Human then you would have seen that. And the 370Z was a low 13. The S550 GT was at best a 12.9 but some of them were low 13s as well. The 6th Gen SS was low 12s. So which is closer to which you genius? 370Zs were right neck and neck with GTs. And for someone who claims to not be flying a Ford flag you sure do spend a lot of time arguing with people on a Camaro forum defending the piss-poor Mustang. You're trying to throw smokescreens up and muddy up the conversation and it's a good try but it ain't working pal.



6th Gen Camaro SS was out in 2015 bro. Come on. Challengers and Chargers were htitting low 12s in the non-Hellcat versions. Lots of them were hitting high 11s on fast lists and thru vendors just like LMR. But since I don't count that I'll say they were all in the 12.2 range. Which is still a far distance from what the GT was doing. Where was the GT? Oh right, 12.9 at best. And to get into the low 12s they needed LTs, tune, cai, axles, DRs, and sometimes even an IM/TB upgrade. Just to keep up.

Hey cool, in other useless trivia... an '83 280zx would run with a '83 Z28 and in the 90's 300zx's, 3000gt's and Supras crushed Camaros and Mustangs. The Supra raped the Vette.

and Mr. Magazine times please dont dig up other sources when it suits your argument...the 370z Nismo has never been a low 13 car when tested by your criteria.

which mag went 12.2 in a 6th gen?

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Originally Posted by FastCarFanBoy

the 370z Nismo has never been a low 13 car when tested by your criteria.

http://www.motortrend.com/cars/nissa...t-test-review/

MT, 370Z, tested 13.3-13.6.

And I didn't say the SS did a 12.2. I said it is in the 12.2 range. Which it is since Hotrod magazine pulled off a 12.21 and MT did a 12.3 while others did 12.4. Try paying attention and a little bit of reading comprehension.

Originally Posted by FastCarFanBoy

Hey cool, in other useless trivia... an '83 280zx would run with a '83 Z28 and in the 90's 300zx's, 3000gt's and Supras crushed Camaros and Mustangs. The Supra raped the Vette.

And no, the 3000GT and 300ZXs did not beat the Z28 SS. They were neck and neck in the mid 13s. Guess which car wasn't even close to that. Right, the Mustang GT. And for the record, the 3000GT, Supras, and 300ZXs were the best that the imports had to offer and were up there in performance pushing 300 hp or more with TT V6s. The Z28 SS was keeping up with them with the 5.7 NA LS1 engine. What did the GT have? Ah, a 4.6 SOHC NPI engine making 225 hp and running a mid to high 14. Lame.

And the Supra NEVER "raped" a Vette. Bone stock the Supra was a low 13. Guess what the LT1 powered Corvette was running. Low 13s. Oh, and what about the mid 90s ZR1 Vette? That was running a 12.9 and the only car that could touch it in the same price range or cheaper was the Viper. So you really have no idea what you're talking about. Supras, 300ZXs, 3000GTs, and even the Skyline (with exception of the R32 or whatever it is called) were not beating GM. They were kicking Ford's ass all over the place but not GM.