[germanicus]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Well you gotta remember that the 15-17s served a purpose and still do. That purpose is to get people into a GT for cheap. I have a feeling that since the 18s are getting a price hike we're actually gonna see more 15-17s on the road. I said it before in more of a trash talking fashion but it holds true. That GTs go for dirt cheap and a lot of people were able to scrape money together to get into a base GT. Some dealerships were pushing them off for high $20K range brand new. Used low mileage models were going for low $20K range. For a 1-2 year old GT that is a crazy low price. So I don't think those who are shopping for a GT now will be too upset if they can barely get into a base GT.

Yeah I got a 16 GT with PP out the door with taxs/tags/title for 32k about 15 months ago. Since then I've enjoyed modding it (wheels, exhaust, touchscreen, redone the seats, etc.) The new performance pack 2 does look like a killer deal, but I'm certainly not upset and itching to sell mine for one. I can spend about 8 grand and put a whipple on mine and have a 700ish rwhp car. Not even really that enticed by that prospect, as the car puts a smile on my face as is whenever I drive it, and i'm a few grand of payments from outright ownership.

I think both the ss1le and (most likely) the upcoming gt pp2 are probably the best performance for dollar cars available out there period.

[shaffe]

Some more info from the LMR run

ET: 12.02
60’: 1.90
MPH: 117
Car Weight w/ Driver & Fuel: Approx. 4075 lbs

[Speedofsound]

That weight is atrocious. 10spd more than makes up for it and its lack of torque.

[ChefBorOzzy]

Originally Posted by shaffe

Some more info from the LMR run

ET: 12.02
60’: 1.90
MPH: 117
Car Weight w/ Driver & Fuel: Approx. 4075 lbs

Wasn't the guy who ran it a twig? Tank was also at half when they ran it. Probably more like 3,970 with driver, unless someone bigger was driving it..

[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by Speedofsound

That weight is atrocious. 10spd more than makes up for it and its lack of torque.

10 speed and a 3.55 final ratio is what makes up for the TQ. The guys without the 3.55s are probably going to be a good bit slower. You've got to remember how major a change in effective gearing that is, especially when you think of the 8L90 and it's 2.73 final ratio.

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by Speedofsound

That weight is atrocious. 10spd more than makes up for it and its lack of torque.

Yeah its kind of a porker

Originally Posted by ChefBorOzzy

Wasn't the guy who ran it a twig? Tank was also at half when they ran it. Probably more like 3,970 with driver, unless someone bigger was driving it..

He looked like an average build maybe a bit smaller to me but just relaying the information from LMR's post on in it

[FastCarFanBoy]

I'm really finding it hard to believe that the car can be that quick at almost 4k #'s with a 25hp increase and a couple more gears. That works out to 460rwhp using a calculator.

I need to see another car run those #'s

[Speedofsound]

Originally Posted by FastCarFanBoy

I'm really finding it hard to believe that the car can be that quick at almost 4k #'s with a 25hp increase and a couple more gears.

I need to see another car run those #'s

Dont believe the "25hp" gain. American muscle's 2015 PP car put down 370whp on their dyno back in 2015. New car put down 437whp? Thats a decent amount higher than the 485hp rated scat packs.

[ULTRAZLS1]

Lol with this crap as usual.

It’s sae certified under the new standard. It’s not under rated. The 03 cobra and ls1 f body cars were not certified under the new sae standard. No car sae certified since the new standard (around 06-07 iirc) is under rated.


Scat packs are 4400 lbs with driver and have run high 11s stock with 25 more hp. Even more unbelievable.

13-14 gt500. Scat pack. Hellcat. Camaros SS. Every single damn one of them has people touting they are under rated. It’s ridiculous. And what would even be the point

[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by Speedofsound

Dont believe the "25hp" gain. American muscle's 2015 PP car put down 370whp on their dyno back in 2015. New car put down 437whp? Thats a decent amount higher than the 485hp rated scat packs.

Note their graph mentions nothing about SAE or even what brand dyno they used this time. The '15 they did was on a dynojet with SAE correction.

[Speedofsound]

So how does a 435hp car dyno 370whp on a dyno and a 460hp car dyno 437whp on the same dyno and they're 20hp apart.

[ULTRAZLS1]

Originally Posted by Speedofsound

So how does a 435hp car dyno 370whp on a dyno and a 460hp car dyno 437whp on the same dyno and they're 20hp apart.

Lol. A dyno from 2 years apart ? Were they in the same gear. Same gear ratio. Air pressure in tires. How tightly strapped down. Conditions of the day. Operating temp of the engine. Weight of drivetrain/efficiency. Driveshaft and half shaft weight. Fluid viscosity. Dyno calibration and or correction. The list of variables is ridiculous
VS
A controlled environment directly measured at the engine.

I’ve seen my own cars on the very next pull change by 8 rwhp for no reason. A rear wheel dyno is just a tuning tool. Most shops will do money pulls as well. Let the car sit for an hour. Fire it up cold and produce a pass about 10 rwhp higher. Was that done with every car compared ? There’s too many variables

Hennessy had the new SS at 43x rwhp as soon as it came out as well. Seen Scat pack autos in the 43x range.

Manufacturers are making everything more efficient. A huge chunk of this is an efficient drivetrain. Which = less hp losses with every new model. Not under rating of the engine.

Even compared side by side with a 15 model I’m sure it could show possibly more than 25 hp gain. But there’s 100 reasons why other than the engine being under rated

[Speedofsound]

Man you guys find fault with everything. Ok, 460hp it is.

[ULTRAZLS1]

Originally Posted by Speedofsound

Man you guys find fault with everything. Ok, 460hp it is.

I’m not trying to find fault with anything. It’s the same for any car across the board that is certified under the same standard

It’s nothing against the mustang.