[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by islander033

It looks like a drivers race to me at the moment. Automagic vs automagic. So we more or less agree there.

PS. You got any 1/4 times from your M6 Hellchally you'd like to share?

Yea I think it will be a driver's race for the most part. I consider a driver's race about 2 tenths of a second. And I used that same argument when discussing the S197 GT being faster than the 5th Gen SS. Just in case the fanboys wanna cry that I'm being unfair or something...

I have not had a chance to get my HC to the track yet. I plan to go next week. I'm aiming for a low 12 for my first run in it. But once I get used to it I wanna be in the high 11s on the stock tires with stock pressure. And I'd like a mid to high 120 MPH.

Originally Posted by FastCarFanBoy

you claiming a time slip is biased is just another way of saying they fudged the #'s somehow. you have no proof of this of course so you bring up air pressure LOL , but that's your M.O. anything that doesnt fit your narrative is always a lie or deception. It doesnt even make sense for them to cheat from a business standpoint..they would soon be outed when other cars couldnt match the times.

From the start I have said that a magazine test is what I go by for multiple reasons and I stand by that. You can pick and choose whatever you want. You can compare LMR's test to MT's test if you want. Go ahead. But most of us agree that it is not a fair comparison. It shows what the Mustang is capable of. And I think it is impressive. But it is not a true comparison nor is it fair to compare LMR's time to MT's and you know it.

Originally Posted by SSfriendly

We all are waiting for true direct comparisons, but your comments make it sound like you want or need the mustang to be in some way inferior as per your comment that the lowering of tire pressure and claims that they were perhaps running on an empty tank and removed a 2lb tire pump.

Exaggerate much Solarflare??

[Speedofsound]

Originally Posted by islander033

It looks like a drivers race to me at the moment. Automagic vs automagic. So we more or less agree there.

PS. You got any 1/4 times from your M6 Hellchally you'd like to share?

M6 HC have trouble putting down. A8 are awesome

[Chadicus]

Originally Posted by Speedofsound

M6 HC have trouble putting down. A8 are awesome

Especially on the stock tires.

[SSfriendly]

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

The GT with PP does have better tires than a regular SS. That will help

That is a good trap speed even for 500 DA. But you cant compare different tracks even with the same DA. Some are just faster than others. And not to dog on this test but I regularly see high trap speeds come out of texas. Cant recall which parts. But I know a couple scat pack guys up into the 117-118 range in texas which is far above the norm for those cars.

In Michigan 116-117 trap for a bone stock SS in 500 DA is very very good. Mine was 116.5 and it had a drag pack. But im a 260 lb guy. The guy they had driving that mustang was a bean pole lol. Even then id expect probably 115-116 from an SS in +500 in Michigan totally stock.

I have no problem with that. A bit like comparing MLB pitch speeds. All we can do right now though is take what we have seen at face value. 12 flat at almost 117mph is respectable at any track in the country. I fully expect these two (at least in auto form) to have virtually identical times.

Now the question is...what will the base GT put down with lesser tires and a non magnetic suspension....as that is what most will see in the wild.

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Exaggerate much Solarflare??

Huh?

[islander033]

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

....

Hey ultramatic!

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

..I have not had a chance to get my HC to the track yet. I plan to go next week. I'm aiming for a low 12 for my first run in it. But once I get used to it I wanna be in the high 11s on the stock tires with stock pressure. And I'd like a mid to high 120 MPH.....

Hope you do well. No reason why you won't trap over 125 mph.

[Chadicus]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Yea I think it will be a driver's race for the most part. I consider a driver's race about 2 tenths of a second. And I used that same argument when discussing the S197 GT being faster than the 5th Gen SS. Just in case the fanboys wanna cry that I'm being unfair or something...

I have not had a chance to get my HC to the track yet. I plan to go next week. I'm aiming for a low 12 for my first run in it. But once I get used to it I wanna be in the high 11s on the stock tires with stock pressure. And I'd like a mid to high 120 MPH.



From the start I have said that a magazine test is what I go by for multiple reasons and I stand by that. You can pick and choose whatever you want. You can compare LMR's test to MT's test if you want. Go ahead. But most of us agree that it is not a fair comparison. It shows what the Mustang is capable of. And I think it is impressive. But it is not a true comparison nor is it fair to compare LMR's time to MT's and you know it.



Exaggerate much Solarflare??

I too am ready for a 3rd party test. I didn't think the Mustang would make up that much ground but kudos to Ford.

[SSfriendly]

Originally Posted by Chadicus

I too am ready for a 3rd party test. I didn't think the Mustang would make up that much ground but kudos to Ford.

I think people will see that 10 speed auto is doing far more than some expected.

[13vertss]

Didn’t something like this go on when the 2015 came out. Very early on people were getting 12.5 or faster, but in reality very very few could replicate it. I will pass judgement once I see more times and dynos. Everyone want to be the first to post times. Let’s see more times before we think this car is a solid 12 sec car. Time will reveal what the true performance is.

[ULTRAZLS1]

Well GM did help them build it. Of course the 10 speed is going to perform lol

same with the GM ride. it should handle better now too.

and it shall sound better too now that they using npp style exhaust like the Camaro...

its a musmaro!....

jk...kind of

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by Speedofsound

M6 HC have trouble putting down. A8 are awesome

Originally Posted by Chadicus

Especially on the stock tires.

Yea. I think the best I've seen magazine testing do is an 11.7-11.8 with the M^. The A8s are a little faster. Also the stock tires are a huge setback. They're 275 P-Zeros...garbage, lol!! I'll see what I can do tho.

Originally Posted by islander033

Hey ultramatic!


Hope you do well. No reason why you won't trap over 125 mph.

Thanks. But admittedly I am not the best driver out there. It'll take some seat time for sure.

Originally Posted by Chadicus

I too am ready for a 3rd party test. I didn't think the Mustang would make up that much ground but kudos to Ford.

I knew it would gain some ground. But if we're to use this test as an example, and if we take into consideration that the SS has gone 11.9 stock by non-magazine testers, then that means the GT will be a mid 12 just by doing "ricer math", lol!! Here is how I see it...

Magazine Tester Individual Tester
Camaro 12.3 Camaro 11.9
Mustang ? Mustang 12.0

So I'm guessing it'll do a 12.5-12.7 in the hands of MT or C&D. Maybe a 12.4. Or maybe it'll actually be faster. But I'm thinking mid 12s.

Originally Posted by SSfriendly

I think people will see that 10 speed auto is doing far more than some expected.

Well not for nothin but all of our comments were based on H2H testing, not individual runs. I think a 12 flat is impressive regardless. Some of us predicted low 12s in a magazine H2H while I say mid 12s. So we'll have to wait to see what it actually does when everything is on equal ground. For now suffice to say it is doing good and looks interesting.

[L99BEN]

When new models come out there are always glory dyno and track runs with people saying the car is underrated.. The new stang will be competitive for sure and likely a driver's race but still feel the camaro alpha chassis is better.

See this?
I think the camaro still sounds way better..

[RagingHawk]

American Muscle has the 6MT PP and claiming 437 whp... if true does that mean the car is underrated by Ford? That 1/4 mile time must be credited to the drag mode and tires, and possibly being underrated in power. Certainly is a competitive car now, although doesn't seem like PP took any step forward, I don't think it will outperform standard SS on a track.

Here is the link(Dyno figures at 11:11):

[ULTRAZLS1]

Hennessy had a SS at 431/421 iirc when it came out. I don't think its under rated.

no nothing is underrated with the new SAE standard. if it is certified its not under rated.

[BlaqWhole]

The way things are going pretty soon cars will be making more to the wheels than they're rated at...SMH.