[crysalis_01]

Originally Posted by SS 1LE

The A8 SS has been running 3.9 0-60's since it came out as per Car and Drivers test. I mean heck, a harder to launch M6 SS runs an easy 4.0 too. And not just the SS 1LE, the regular SS has too...a tenth to 60 is a dead heat no matter how you look at it, either way, way too many variables.




You must be related to FastCarFanboy? We all know being it was a Mustang shop, with a rented track, how that went...doesn't matter what kind of car. We are just saying a real world, same day, same place, same driver, test from a reputable magazine is what we really need for a FAIR comparison. I don't see how anybody could dispute that.




Who in here can't see that? We (and I) have said this should finally level the playing field, at least while comparing auto 1/4 mile passes.

I still say M6 vs M6 the Camaro will still have a gap.
Same for on track performance when comparing equals.

This. Now we just need to see how much of that gap remains. AM really needs to get their M6 car to the strip so we can see how the improvements to the MT-82 pay off...if they do.

[1LEMATT]

Originally Posted by SSfriendly

Agree with everything you said.

I'm curious to see what the revised gearing and clutch in the mustang will do for it's 1/4 mile performance.

The MT-82 got revised gearing and a new clutch? Why did they go though all that and not just change it to a TR-6060???? I am assuming the ratios are probably pretty close to the M6 SS now? Anybody know?

...and yes I hope they do auto to auto and manual (GT PP2) to manual (SS 1LE) in particular.

[crysalis_01]

Originally Posted by 1LEMATT

The MT-82 got revised gearing and a new clutch? Why did they go though all that and not just change it to a TR-6060???? I am assuming the ratios are probably pretty close to the M6 SS now? Anybody know?

...and yes I hope they do auto to auto and manual (GT PP2) to manual (SS 1LE) in particular.

It now has a dual mass flywheel, twin disk clutch, larger syncros, and no lift shift is standard.

Not sure about the ratios, the 15-17 GT's used the following,

3.66
2.43
1.69
1.32
1.00
0.65

[SSfriendly]

Originally Posted by 1LEMATT

The MT-82 got revised gearing and a new clutch? Why did they go though all that and not just change it to a TR-6060???? I am assuming the ratios are probably pretty close to the M6 SS now? Anybody know?

...and yes I hope they do auto to auto and manual (GT PP2) to manual (SS 1LE) in particular.

They now have a twin disc clutch and 2 overdrive gears instead (5th was previously 1:1).

My guess is, the MT-82 is significantly cheaper than the TR-6060.

[Speedofsound]

4th is 1:1 now

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by SSfriendly

Ford claims sub 4 second 0-60, the anti Ford crowd claims it runs a 3.999999

First claimed stock 1/4 mile comes in with damn impressive ET and MPH and "some" claim that the tire pressure could be altered...or that somehow running with less than a 100% full tank of fuel isn't stock.

And the rest of the world laughs.

It's easy to see there will be sub 12 second hero runs coming...and that the 10 speed will absolutely rival the camaro. I'm not sure why everyone in here can't see it?

Originally Posted by SSfriendly

I wouldn't say most. There are a few though.

As far as 500 da, I didn't see it. Did they post what the humidity was?



My tires from the dealer were set at 45psi. Does that mean when I lowered them it was no longer stock?

Do you not see how silly you sound...and how everything you are saying seems like an attempt to make an excuse on how the 18 mustang won't be able to match the camaro? Their tire pressure was set at 30psi, well within the realm of coming off of the factory lot. Their 1.96 60' times certainly weren't stellar.

https://www.facebook.com/latemodelre...5782275549844/

And I wouldn't call running down the 1/4 mile 5 times an all day affair.

I will agree, as for 1/4 mile times...it most certainly looks at this point to be a drivers race.

Welcome back troll.

[islander033]

Why all the mad in here?

The stock air pressure stips had me rollin. lol

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by FastCarFanBoy

the magazines have already tested the SS numerous times , there would be no need to bring an SS along for comparison. If they dont does that render the Mustang test results useless?

Don't be dense. You're comparing a Mustang shop's times (hugely biased) to the Camaro's magazine times. Every comparison that I made was fair...magazine times done on the same day and same track with the same driver. Like I said, I could have thrown up the 11.9s that "stock" Camaros have done but I didn't because that wouldn't be fair and it muddies up the comparisons. But if you do wanna go that route, then the Camaro is still faster than the GT. So your only point is that the GT closed the gap by adding an extra 25 hp, 20 tq, and an A10 trans but is still slower than the Camaro. And I said that the 12 flat was impressive and that even if the GT only does a mid 12 in a mag test then that is impressive also. And I said I'm glad that Ford is fighting back. So I'm not really sure what you're getting at. Seems like you're just trying to find a reason to pick a fight when all of us are pretty much giving the Mustang props.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by islander033

Why all the mad in here?

The stock air pressure stips had me rollin. lol

Who is mad? The only people who were getting mad were the Mustang trollboys who got kicked off the page, lol! If anything we're discussing what makes a true and fair comparison. And a biased shop with something to gain from the testing running the car and making adjustments to it while comparing it to a magazine test of the Camaro is far from fair. I mean, come on. If it were the other way around you guys would make the same argument. I'm just saying I would like to see a true H2H between the 2 cars in a fair comparison to both parties. I think the SS will be faster but either way they'll be pretty much neck and neck.

[SSfriendly]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Welcome back troll.

[islander033]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Who is mad? The only people who were getting mad were the Mustang trollboys who got kicked off the page, lol! If anything we're discussing what makes a true and fair comparison. And a biased shop with something to gain from the testing running the car and making adjustments to it while comparing it to a magazine test of the Camaro is far from fair. I mean, come on. If it were the other way around you guys would make the same argument. I'm just saying I would like to see a true H2H between the 2 cars in a fair comparison to both parties. I think the SS will be faster but either way they'll be pretty much neck and neck.

It looks like a drivers race to me at the moment. Automagic vs automagic. So we more or less agree there.

PS. You got any 1/4 times from your M6 Hellchally you'd like to share?

[FastCarFanBoy]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Don't be dense. You're comparing a Mustang shop's times (hugely biased) to the Camaro's magazine times. Every comparison that I made was fair...magazine times done on the same day and same track with the same driver. Like I said, I could have thrown up the 11.9s that "stock" Camaros have done but I didn't because that wouldn't be fair and it muddies up the comparisons. But if you do wanna go that route, then the Camaro is still faster than the GT. So your only point is that the GT closed the gap by adding an extra 25 hp, 20 tq, and an A10 trans but is still slower than the Camaro. And I said that the 12 flat was impressive and that even if the GT only does a mid 12 in a mag test then that is impressive also. And I said I'm glad that Ford is fighting back. So I'm not really sure what you're getting at. Seems like you're just trying to find a reason to pick a fight when all of us are pretty much giving the Mustang props.

you claiming a time slip is biased is just another way of saying they fudged the #'s somehow. you have no proof of this of course so you bring up air pressure LOL , but that's your M.O. anything that doesnt fit your narrative is always a lie or deception. It doesnt even make sense for them to cheat from a business standpoint..they would soon be outed when other cars couldnt match the times.

[SSfriendly]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Who is mad? The only people who were getting mad were the Mustang trollboys who got kicked off the page, lol! If anything we're discussing what makes a true and fair comparison. And a biased shop with something to gain from the testing running the car and making adjustments to it while comparing it to a magazine test of the Camaro is far from fair. I mean, come on. If it were the other way around you guys would make the same argument. I'm just saying I would like to see a true H2H between the 2 cars in a fair comparison to both parties. I think the SS will be faster but either way they'll be pretty much neck and neck.

We all are waiting for true direct comparisons, but your comments make it sound like you want or need the mustang to be in some way inferior as per your comment that the lowering of tire pressure and claims that they were perhaps running on an empty tank and removed a 2lb tire pump.

With damn near 117mph trap speeds on the first recorded 1/4 mile, it looks like it's going to be a close one that's for sure. In the head to head, it might come down to which one is easier to launch.

[ULTRAZLS1]

Originally Posted by islander033

It looks like a drivers race to me at the moment. Automagic vs automagic. So we more or less agree there.

PS. You got any 1/4 times from your M6 Hellchally you'd like to share?

Originally Posted by SSfriendly

We all are waiting for true direct comparisons, but your comments make it sound like you want or need the mustang to be in some way inferior as per your comment that the lowering of tire pressure and claims that they were perhaps running on an empty tank and removed a 2lb tire pump.

With damn near 117mph trap speeds on the first recorded 1/4 mile, it looks like it's going to be a close one that's for sure. In the head to head, it might come down to which one is easier to launch.

The GT with PP does have better tires than a regular SS. That will help

That is a good trap speed even for 500 DA. But you cant compare different tracks even with the same DA. Some are just faster than others. And not to dog on this test but I regularly see high trap speeds come out of texas. Cant recall which parts. But I know a couple scat pack guys up into the 117-118 range in texas which is far above the norm for those cars.

In Michigan 116-117 trap for a bone stock SS in 500 DA is very very good. Mine was 116.5 and it had a drag pack. But im a 260 lb guy. The guy they had driving that mustang was a bean pole lol. Even then id expect probably 115-116 from an SS in +500 in Michigan totally stock.