[mauldin44]

If anyone is thinking about getting a heads and cam upgrade I just got the heads and cam package from Race Proven Motorsports done to my 2017 50th Anniversary Edition. I'm waiting to see the final dyno numbers on Monday and pick it up Tuesday. Hoping Fran can work his Dyno Voodoo and see some decent overall gains. The dyno numbers are usually a lot higher on a (M6). My car has ans (A8) and just doesn't seem to throw down to get the dyno numbers as well as the (M6)s I've seen. I've attached a video they made of it cranking up. It has a Kooks full exhaust system. I had the headers treated and coated by JetHot Performance Coatings. I will post the final gains once it's all finished up.

I put the MSD intake and K&N Blackhawk series air filter no tune on the car before taking it in. This car baselined with the MSD and K&N at around 387 rwhp and 402 wrtq.

https://www.facebook.com/RaceProvenM...1357994249754/

[Whitemaro6]

HAHAHAHAAH that white 6gen Camaro in the video is mine Also doing cam package but i'm m6. Cant wait! How long did it take them to get your together?

[PRAY]

The A8's are only 10-15rw behind the M6's from what I have seen. I don't think it was the MSD that hurt your numbers. I am willing to bet that the K/N's MAF transfer function is all jacked up and that is what hurt your numbers. I would have Fran tune it first if you really want to know what their H/C package is worth.

Didn't the 1LE they posted about put down like 444/463rw stock on that dyno? Trust me, your car in basic trim shouldn't be that far off unless they are dynoing A8's in 5th. Then you will see a significant difference. My car usually puts down 23-25rw more in 6th than 5th on the dyno. 6th is the 1:1 gear. Look for the gains a package gives you, not the total numbers. All dyno's are different. That is why base line testing is so critical. Good luck with the package. I am sure they will do a good job.

[bhillakaiceberg]

OP: Did you do a Converter?

[wnta1ss]

The low-altitude dyno test I've seen of an MSD out-of-the-box slapped onto a stock motor without tuning showed a small gain in peak hp (maybe 7hp) but the torque was less. This test was done by Tim quite a while ago. With your new cam very likely being happiest above 5000rpm though, this manifold will probably work decent in that range.

[mauldin44]

Originally Posted by PRAY

The A8's are only 10-15rw behind the M6's from what I have seen. I don't think it was the MSD that hurt your numbers. I am willing to bet that the K/N's MAF transfer function is all jacked up and that is what hurt your numbers. I would have Fran tune it first if you really want to know what their H/C package is worth.

Didn't the 1LE they posted about put down like 444/463rw stock on that dyno? Trust me, your car in basic trim shouldn't be that far off unless they are dynoing A8's in 5th. Then you will see a significant difference. My car usually puts down 23-25rw more in 6th than 5th on the dyno. 6th is the 1:1 gear. Look for the gains a package gives you, not the total numbers. All dyno's are different. That is why base line testing is so critical. Good luck with the package. I am sure they will do a good job.

From what I have been reading the average for stock baselines have been between the 390-420 ranges. I have see a couple that showed they were in 440+ ranges but that doesn't seem to be the norm. The gains from the heads and cam package will be pretty good if I can come in somewhere in the 510-520rwhp range from the baseline numbers.

[mauldin44]

Originally Posted by bhillakaiceberg

OP: Did you do a Converter?

No I did not go with a converter with this build.

[mauldin44]

Originally Posted by Whitemaro6

HAHAHAHAAH that white 6gen Camaro in the video is mine Also doing cam package but i'm m6. Cant wait! How long did it take them to get your together?

The average is about a week or two. Mine took a little longer because of some unforeseen supply chain delays and the dyno went down for a couple of days.

[Immoralus]

RPM's dyno reads low or something. My Rotofab Dry with Prays Ported TB/IM dynoed 399.6 whp... couldn't give me that extra .4.

[mauldin44]

Originally Posted by Immoralus

RPM's dyno reads low or something. My Rotofab Dry with Prays Ported TB/IM dynoed 399.6 whp... couldn't give me that extra .4.

When it comes to Dyno numbers who knows. There are so many variables at play between one to another.

[mauldin44]

Originally Posted by wnta1ss

The low-altitude dyno test I've seen of an MSD out-of-the-box slapped onto a stock motor without tuning showed a small gain in peak hp (maybe 7hp) but the torque was less. This test was done by Tim quite a while ago. With your new cam very likely being happiest above 5000rpm though, this manifold will probably work decent in that range.

I'm pretty sure the MSD will provide some gains in the end. When I installed the MSD the car felt like it had a better throttle response. The dyno numbers came back at more of the low end average the day it was baselined.

I've read a couple of articles that the MSD didn't really come alive until the car was tuned as well.

[PRAY]

Originally Posted by mauldin44

From what I have been reading the average for stock baselines have been between the 390-420 ranges. I have see a couple that showed they were in 440+ ranges but that doesn't seem to be the norm. The gains from the heads and cam package will be pretty good if I can come in somewhere in the 510-520rwhp range from the baseline numbers.

That was kind of my point. 440's is not the norm. Good luck with it.

[BradfordCamaro]

Expecting a number will lead to disappointment.
Just pay attention to where you started and where you end up.
Trying to figure out or make excuses Why, What is or the classic would have - should have - could have .... this dyno reads low...etc

Is just a waste of time. Don't chase a number because you want to post it here.

I had the King of Low Dynos. But the end results are what I like

[mauldin44]

Originally Posted by BradfordCamaro

Expecting a number will lead to disappointment.
Just pay attention to where you started and where you end up.
Trying to figure out or make excuses Why, What is or the classic would have - should have - could have .... this dyno reads low...etc

Is just a waste of time. Don't chase a number because you want to post it here.

I had the King of Low Dynos. But the end results are what I like

Thanks for the advice. I know a lot of people love those dyno numbers, and judge cars simply by what they put down on the dyno. This car will likely never touch a racetrack, so I'm sure the end numbers will be more than enough for my use case.