[MatthewAMEL]

Originally Posted by mjk3888

The car was run in CAM-C do we know it was completely A-Street legal? Also the above statements make it sound as though OEM Goodyears are a much larger handicap than they actually are. You guys are assuming they aren't very close to RE-71Rs I happen to think they are VERY CLOSE to RE-71R performance.

G3’s are FAR more competitive than people give them credit for.

At our last CFL SCCA event, I split the co-driving team on Greg’s 1LE with RE71s on my OEM tires.

Couple of caveats: the RE71s were new, Peter was driving the 1LE for the 1st time (he normally drives a GT350) and I did have Ian Stewart in the car (STX Nats champion).

[MatthewAMEL]

Originally Posted by race2win

Wow, so many things to answer



In my "unofficial" opinion, at the time the SS 1LE was released it did seem too much for BS. Availability was a concern at the time, and it was known the chassis had been performing "above it's weight class". AS it was, with a watchful eye on actual data/results.



The ZL1 comes with a significant weight penalty, best case both cars will be on 305 71Rs, and how much of that extra power are you going to utilize?



Yes, it is correct the "12-month" rule is still in effect for the 1LE, however this rule is generally reserved for blatant classing errors and/or oversights. In other words, it's reserved for classing decisions that prove too aggressive, vs. making an uncompetitive car more competitive. Not saying we can't do this, but the health of BS is strong, and with reports of a certain SS 1LE owner posting AS times on OE tires it would be unprecedented at the very least to make such a move.



FTFY If we went by HP/WT, a base SS would be classed waaaay higher than an ND Miata.

Wut???

The Miata would be a GS and the base SS would be DS.

[race2win]

Originally Posted by MatthewAMEL

Wut???

The Miata would be a GS and the base SS would be DS.

Missed my point, I wasn't assigning classes, just stating that if we used HP/WT as the only classing criteria a SS Camaro would be classed much higher (7.9 lbs/hp) compared to an ND (14.5 lbs/hp). Yet CS is a faster class

Point is, HP/WT is ONE factor, out of many that are considered during classing discussions.

Regarding Brian Peters, the event I'm referring to was at El Toro prior to Nationals, and the AS Pro Finale winner (over Daddio) and 3rd place finisher at Nationals Matt Jones was in attendance in AS Again, not saying that one data point proves anything, just that in reference to the 12-month rule there is not enough data to warrant use of that rule.

[MatthewAMEL]

Originally Posted by race2win

Missed my point, I wasn't assigning classes, just stating that if we used HP/WT as the only classing criteria a SS Camaro would be classed much higher (7.9 lbs/hp) compared to an ND (14.5 lbs/hp). Yet CS is a faster class

Point is, HP/WT is ONE factor, out of many that are considered during classing discussions.

Regarding Brian Peters, the event I'm referring to was at El Toro prior to Nationals, and the AS Pro Finale winner (over Daddio) and 3rd place finisher at Nationals Matt Jones was in attendance in AS Again, not saying that one data point proves anything, just that in reference to the 12-month rule there is not enough data to warrant use of that rule.

Btw - internet banter is fun. But thanks for the job you and the SEB does. It’s a thankless job, but vital.

[race2win]

Thanks

It certainly is not easy sometimes, but I do enjoy being able to "give back" to the club that I so very love.

As JRL1LE has mentioned, it is my intent to conduct a "BS Test" of sorts soon, and include his 1LE.

We are conducting a test involving my DS 2.0T vs. a Civic Type R vs. a DS FR-S vs. a Focus RS this weekend, my intent is to document the test and publish it via Solomatters. I hope to standardize the test so that we can utilize the procedures in the future to possibly help with future classing decisions

[apexit53]

Originally Posted by race2win

Thanks

It certainly is not easy sometimes, but I do enjoy being able to "give back" to the club that I so very love.

As JRL1LE has mentioned, it is my intent to conduct a "BS Test" of sorts soon, and include his 1LE.

We are conducting a test involving my DS 2.0T vs. a Civic Type R vs. a DS FR-S vs. a Focus RS this weekend, my intent is to document the test and publish it via Solomatters. I hope to standardize the test so that we can utilize the procedures in the future to possibly help with future classing decisions

cant wait to see those results! I wonder if you have a v6 1LE you can test out there as well!?

[race2win]

Originally Posted by apexit53

cant wait to see those results! I wonder if you have a v6 1LE you can test out there as well!?

Not to my knowledge, but I assure you I'd be first in line to take some runs with it

Good news is a test involving a V6 1LE, an FS Gen6 SS, and an FS E92 M3 is in the works...with a known Jacket-wearing driver being involved

[apexit53]

Originally Posted by race2win

Not to my knowledge, but I assure you I'd be first in line to take some runs with it

Good news is a test involving a V6 1LE, an FS Gen6 SS, and an FS E92 M3 is in the works...with a known Jacket-wearing driver being involved

It was supposed to happen 2 weekends ago but conflict with our event site forced us to cancel. Next weekend we have a double header, I just hope its not too cold at that point. Yes i know you cali people dont know what cold is :p lol

[jwisjw]

Camaro's win all the things?

[dontlifttoshift]

Lol, Jason was in his C5 and Cashmore in his BMW

[apexit53]

I was going to say, jeffs has shown hes been in a camaro all year but he has his M3.

I wonder why it shows him in a 1LE... I feel like he would have told me that knowing i want one! lol

[jwisjw]

We are on a Camaro forum, it was best to let the fake news roll.

[mjk3888]

Originally Posted by race2win

Missed my point, I wasn't assigning classes, just stating that if we used HP/WT as the only classing criteria a SS Camaro would be classed much higher (7.9 lbs/hp) compared to an ND (14.5 lbs/hp). Yet CS is a faster class

Point is, HP/WT is ONE factor, out of many that are considered during classing discussions.

Regarding Brian Peters, the event I'm referring to was at El Toro prior to Nationals, and the AS Pro Finale winner (over Daddio) and 3rd place finisher at Nationals Matt Jones was in attendance in AS Again, not saying that one data point proves anything, just that in reference to the 12-month rule there is not enough data to warrant use of that rule.

I understand your point that HP to Weight isn't the main factor. However your point emphasizes the fact that weight is much more important than Power in AutoX. That being said the C5 and C6 Z06's that dominate A-Street are OVER 600lbs lighter than the SS 1LE!!!! Just look at the delta of separation between CAM-C and CAM-S that is more in line with the handicap the 1LE's should be given over the Vettes. All I'm asking for is to have a similar separation in Street class so I can have a fair shot at competing without having to move to CAM. I don't see the logic that puts such distance between the Cars in CAM class but in the exact same class in Street. It doesn't matter how you slice it, these cars aren't in the same league in any way shape or form. The SS 1LE doesn't belong in A-Street.

Originally Posted by race2win

As JRL1LE has mentioned, it is my intent to conduct a "BS Test" of sorts soon, and include his 1LE.

We are conducting a test involving my DS 2.0T vs. a Civic Type R vs. a DS FR-S vs. a Focus RS this weekend, my intent is to document the test and publish it via Solomatters. I hope to standardize the test so that we can utilize the procedures in the future to possibly help with future classing decisions

That sounds very interesting and I'm sure it would help take some of the pressure off you guys by giving you much more concrete evidence to make classing decisions.

[jwisjw]

Originally Posted by mjk3888

I don't see the logic that puts such distance between the Cars in CAM class but in the exact same class in Street. It doesn't matter how you slice it, these cars aren't in the same league in any way shape or form. The SS 1LE doesn't belong in A-Street.

Why is a GT3 in SS and SSR, when the C5Z/C6GS/C6Z are in AS and SSR? Same logic could be applied. The 1LE with only 2 runs in my book, on different days seem competitive on the stock tires... Seeing the aforementioned alien driver that has been very dominant... however how would he do in a C5Z, hard to say.